cyndiheimsarac Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Okay so I am so new to this and need to ask what might seem like a very stupid question....try not to laugh When everyone talks about the cost of the build per m2 are you all including in it the cost of the land? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Not going to laugh. This costing out by the metre square is really a nonsense. There are just too many variables. If you want to cost a house, decide what you want, then get prices for each component i.e. legal, acquisition, services, surveys, professional fees, bricks, timber, cement, plaster, pipes, wires, kitchens, bathrooms, stairs, windows, tiles and so forth. Then there are things like taxes, delivery, CIL/LA costs. Contingency fund is a complete nonsense as that gets blown away almost at the beginning. Contingency=can't cost properly. Then decide it is just way too expensive and easier to refurbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joth Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Hello! Have a look at these Basically, anything in https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/forum/104-costing-estimating/ with "m2" in the title.... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 35 minutes ago, cyndiheimsarac said: When everyone talks about the cost of the build per m2 are you all including in it the cost of the land? No the land is not part of the build cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 No land to be included BUT We included in our £830 m2 everything in the house plus two d garages All fees and connection charges We had no borrowing costs But someone who has would be justified in including those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) its a debateable point If you buy a house you buy land as well but for most purposes it is always meaning just the total cost to build the house -and not including the plot 27 minutes ago, nod said: But someone who has would be justified in including those don,t agree borrowing costs are not part of house build Edited January 21, 2020 by scottishjohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, SteamyTea said: This costing out by the metre square is really a nonsense. There are just too many variables. what he means is you could use best welsh slate at £100+ per sqM or concrete tiles at £10sqm same goes for all the other choices of kitchens, flooring etc etc also price quoted by builder will include labour a self build like @nod there will be no or very small labour costs apples +oranges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyndiheimsarac Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 Thank you all! Refurbishing is not an option as the land we have planning for has nothing there, we are now trying to find somebody to draft our BR drawings so we can start getting an idea of cost from builders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) There is a book called SPONS that tries to give estimates https://www.amazon.co.uk/Spons-Architects-Builders-Price-Books/dp/0367267039/ Pretty cheap, especially if you have a large floor area. Edited January 21, 2020 by SteamyTea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, scottishjohn said: its a debateable point If you buy a house you buy land as well but for most purposes it is always meaning just the total cost to build the house -and not including the plot don,t agree borrowing costs are not part of house build No I wouldn’t have included borrowing costs or rent in the build cost but some may want to highlight them Why I say this Is one member wanted to include the land cost which would make costing pointless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puntloos Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I'll plug this one too: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, scottishjohn said: what he means is you could use best welsh slate at £100+ per sqM or concrete tiles at £10sqm same goes for all the other choices of kitchens, flooring etc etc also price quoted by builder will include labour a self build like @nod there will be no or very small labour costs apples +oranges I think for the purpose of helping those that are in the planning stages and trying to get a feel for coatings We could break it up into several categories Turn key myself and a few others doing most of the labour and something in between and you have the spec of the build I know on our build we could have saved thousands had we needed to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA3222 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 My view is that any spend that has arisen directly due to the fact you are building a house should be included. If you buy a house you budget for stamp duty. Why do self builders cherry pick what costs are included - my suspicion is people have a tendency to want to convince themselves they spent less (usually when Joe public may enquire as to 'so how much did it cost to build'). A bit like people who having bought something on offer say 'it's worth £100'....but you bought it for £50....ergo....its worth £50! I include everything but it's a personal choice. I'm under no illusions - I may 'just' break even all this build when all costs are considered but I'm ok with that. I think the main problem with this topic is the question. If you ask 'how much does it cost per m2 to build' that is the a answer you will generally get - the price of materials/labour to 'build' it. If you are starting out and trying to work out how much it will cost 'all in', then the list of 'extras' to this m2 cost can be endless. Start with how much you have, subtract the plot price and there's ya budget, the m2 cost can vary widely and a lot depends on the choices you make I.ie standard of finish etc. This is a minefield - all I can suggest is trawl the forum and it help to gain a better understanding of costs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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