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yeah, sorry. when I meant 'shower' it was just to really rinse him off and then we can leave him in the utility room to dry. I wasn't talking about shampooing him every day!

when daisy chaining the Cat6a cable how does one join the pairs that aren't being used? so obviously, the tree pairs (green/green&white, orange/orange&white) go in one device and then on to the next but I'll need to join the blue/blue&white, brown/brown&white to carry those on up the daisy chain for the digital inputs from the retractive switches. what's the best way to do that?

interesting point about the mud in the shower trap. I hadn't thought of that. the shower tray will be raised a bit so I wonder if I can have a filter under the shower plug hole before going in to the trap that is easily removable for cleaning out? or some form of catchpit/sump so that the water from the shower goes in to that first (under the tray) and then drains out to a normal trap? I'll run the outside warm water tap past the mrs and see what she says although I'd rather find a solution to deal with the mud in the shower rather than have to wash him down outside and then put him in the shower. definitely food for thought though, thanks.

awesome. not planning on closing any of these Loxone Cat6a loops. ok. think I understand this and I'm pretty sure that I won't exceed the 4 digital inputs per cable run but will double check my drawings. I think that if I have more than 2 I'll just run another cable. Also, I'll be doing the boarding so will know where the cables are and will take my time to ensure cables aren't hit! 🤞 yeah, that was part of our brief to the architect, big boot/utility room with a dog shower. he thought the size of the utility was excessive but having lived in a house with a shoebox utility room we wanted space in this one! planning a second dog next year as well so the shower will get lots of use after muddy woodland walks. at the moment our dog gets hosed down outside and when it gets really cold I wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of a cold hose pipe so why should we subject our dogs to that if we don't have to! 😉

morning all. I've been thinking long and hard about my cabling and, as I started to draw it all out, it has raised another question. if I'm daisy-chaining Cat6a cable for tree devices/retractive switches does the last device on that chain need terminating with a resistor? e.g. in the drawing below I have drawn a 12m green cat6a cable to the Tree Touch switch at the entrance to the utility room and then daisy chained it up to a Tree presence sensor, then to a retractive switch, on to another tree presence sensor, down to another retractive switch and then finally through the wall to a retractive switch. will that work? and is there any sort of resistor termination required at that final retractive switch? this is the idea for every room. one cable from the comms room to the Tree switch and then daisy-chaining from there.

That looks fab!

I wondered this. bikes are pretty light so can be carried up the steps so I guess the ramp is only needed for the bins.

yeah, I read about this is another thread where @Rob99 talked about using 100 blocks in an enclosure external to the Loxone enclosure. seems like a very neat way of dealing with all the cables. whoops! should've read Rob's reply on this thread before posting! 🤦‍♂️

thanks for this. really useful information and gives a great positive result by using just Cat6. much for me to consider and digest.

I don't think it's a thread drift at all. it's all to do with plumbing so completely on track. do you know what your hardness ppm is? I can resurrect this discussion with the family but our toilets and washing machine will be on rainwater and so it's just the taps/showers that will be on mains and as we're at the low end of moderately hard I'm just not sure it's worth it.

thanks Rob, all great info. plans are definitely now becoming more concrete. I've got some walls to build and plumbing to do today but I'll think about it all while working and post some kind of finalised plan later.

I’m not 100% sure as SWMBO is doing the bathroom furniture purchasing! I wanted Villeroy Boch but I think she’s chosen Vitra as a cheaper option. but definitely no water squirting up bum included

will do. but, tbh, the comms room (Loxone cabinet) is in the basement next door to the plant room so if I forget a cable or two down there it doesn't matter as running a new cable is trivial as none of it is getting boxed in.

ahh...ok cool. that makes sense. I will be leaving that part of the plumbing up to a professional anyway. I will simply run all the hep2o pipes to the manifolds and let the plumber do the work connecting up the ASHP to UVC and then to the water manifolds and UFH manifolds.

yep. all at the correct height for the toilet's we're buying and the FFL and the soil pipe branch. waiting on the pans to get here so I can test fit to check 'squatting' levels before final fixing of the frames and building the shelving space that will go above the toilets.

spent a couple of days building the stud walls in the kids bathrooms for the Geberit frames. overall, I'm pretty happy. need to do some magic around the soil pipe going to the loft for the AAVs to get plasterboard fixed but in true @pocster fashion I'm sure I'll figure something out!

tap up @ETC as he offered to help members with designs and, from what I've seen so far from other posts, his ideas have been brilliant.

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you argue the case well and it's hard to not just do it <input Nike tick emoji here>. I've not got enough brain power to be able to consider running cables for this.

I was actually thinking of running fibre to the TV points just in case. for the cost of a reel of fibre I thought it was a bit of a no-brainer.

and it's this that's making the decision so hard! I want the house to be as maintenance free as possible (with regards to future work on it) and so I don't want to be ripping out cables in 10 years. but who's to say that even if I do put in Cat6A that I still won't have to do that anyway? I remember you also saying that Cat6A was a bit harder to run? was it hard enough that if you had the choice again you would do Cat6?

this is a great idea. I did use uplan but their automated cable runs were shocking. I also have a laminated A1 printout of our electrical drawings so I could annotate on that with a whiteboard marker.

yeah, was just thinking about any future selling/reverting back to 'normal' so with dedicated T&E someone could do that. but now I'm heading down your route of thinking and going all-in on Loxone and automation and sticking two fingers at whoever comes after. yeah, I remember reading you did this. but I also remember reading you saying Cat6A was probably overkill! which makes me wonder if it's worth it. good to know. so, again, Cat6 should be sufficient if cable runs aren't long.

still comes down to Cat6 or Cat6A at the end of the day though, doesn't it? 😉 because I can? is that a valid answer? I have an Apple TV but I haven't done matrix video distribution yet and I'm a geek who likes to mess around with technology. fair enough! not planning on using the overpriced Loxone downlights tbh. but will double check the spec and cost of them again. someone to make all the decision for me and to come and install it all for nothing?

too late! already bought them. 😉 thanks and this also supports what @joth did by not bothering with the T&E. quote: he also mentions voltage drop but the trouble is I have no idea at the moment if I will need 24V power delivery and so don't know if I need to take the Cat6A route or not. part of me is thinking just 'belt and braces' it but the other part is thinking about costs and ease of installation/termination. again, I don't really have very long runs and even 4K CCTV video H.264 compressed is only 10Mbps so we're really not even getting close to 1Gbps let alone the need for 10Gbps. and all my runs will be well below the 55m limit for 10Gbps over Cat6 anyway. this is good advice and I am still adding runs to my electrical layout and I will probably still be doing so until everything is boarded over. and even then I will have access from my comms room to the loft so can still distribute around the house if necessary. yeah. was planning on colour coding it. makes things easy to recognise although I wasn't going to differentiate between data and PoE as with my compulsions I'd never be able to run a PoE device on a data cable. 😂 thank you for taking the time to post a response.