Nickfromwales

I think that came to you in a dream. 🛌

Sorry. My DNA is made primarily out of copper and brass. Yes, Hepworth (NOT JG Speedfit!!!!) would be equally as handsome as I was when in my 20’s. Im still quite buff at 51 btw. 🤩

For completeness, the old school fix down with bare BFO brass screws was successful and reliable, only, because the pans were always set down onto a bed of mortar to absorb undulations or imperfections in the cast of the porcelain. Doing that with the junk that’s puked out of factories nowadays is a suicide mission. Furthermore, I haven’t screwed a pan down for prob over 2 decades. I just bed them down, like the old boys did, but with clear CT1. If there are fsome zing holes, I buy the kit I linked to above, grind the heads off the bolts, and silicone the remainder of the kit in as decorative plugs.

How long is the wait for Fogstar? You can’t become huge rush, and @jack has one of their units iirc.

Seen some wall mounted external Givenergy units recently, seemed to not project too far from the wall, but Tesla prob worth a look too. I guess just googling the dims of various units is your best bet.

Taken from the ‘other’ thread, for completeness. Beelbeebub Posted 1 hour ago · IP This sort of should be in the "green building" section - except my point is that it shouldn't be a "green" issue. To cut along story short I've not included links but can provide if anyone is interested. The UK urgently needs to reduce of consumption of fossil fuels - and it has absolutely nothing to do with the climate. The UK is highly dependant of fossil fuels for 2 areas: - Transport (petrol & diesel) - Domestic heating (mainly gas) For the above uses we currently import 50% of what we use. This leaves us vulnerable to price shifts in the global market and outright coersion should someone sanction/embargo/blockade our supplies and the majority of the suppliers of those vital resources are not friendly states and have to travel via long sea routes. By 2035 - just 10 years away - we are predicted to need to import 75% of oil and gas (if demand stays the same). At this point someone usually says "ah! That is why we must drop this net zero nonsense and drill for oil and gas to become self sufficient!" The problem with this argument is that figure of 75% imports is from the oil and gas industry's most optimistic projections. It assumes that: - we are able to extract the maximum predicted amount out of our existing fields - we are able to extract the maximum predicted amount out of all the fields awaiting licences - we are able to extract the maximum predicted amount out of all the fields we know about - we are able to extract the maximum predicted amount out of some fields we haven't yet discovered In short this is like predicting our future income assuming we get promoted, get a bonus, a distant uncle leaves us his fortune and we win the lottery. If we use the more sober assessment then in 10 years time we will need to import 90% of our consumption (assuming it stays the same). In short UK oil and gas production will fall every year even in the most optimistic predictions. In order to avoid this major vulnerability to our economy and sovereignty we need to reduce our demand for fossil fuels. 1) Reducing our demand for gas heating in houses by insulation and moving away from gas boilers would reduce our gas demand - yes, even if we generate the extra elecreicty needed by burning gas. 2) Reducing our demand for oil by (amongst other things) reducing the number of fossil fuel vehicles To support the above we need to increace our electrical generation and distribution capability by building new wind farms, solar farms, rooftop solar, transmission lines etc In short all of the "Net zero" things that usually sit in the "green" forum and regularly get trashed by people saying "ah all this green nomsense! Just woke crap a making us poorer! Bloody Greta etc etc" But really it should sit in the national security and economic forum. Quote MikeSharp01 Posted 1 hour ago · IP I guess that has always been part of the thinking although its not very joined up is it, we are not building the skills to make this transition, not educating the public so they understand why they should get behind the programme and much of the 'gear' is imported. Quote JohnMo Posted 51 minutes ago · IP As with most things in this country everything is a political football. Not even sure the decision makers have a clue about most things, they just do what the whips tell them to do. Add to this with, how much money comes from industry with vested interest, in not making sensible decisions easy or even correct. We just need a new political structure, nothing simple Quote ProDave Posted 47 minutes ago · IP I have said before, if Energy security was the stated reason for more renewable energy (because we are coming to the end of our own fossil fuel reserves) then I am sure more people would agree with it. Quote SteamyTea Posted 36 minutes ago · IP I was pondering how many people are employed in the oil and gas industry in the UK. Found this https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CDP-2020-0036/CDP-2020-0036.pdf (bit old now) This is the 1.1 summary. Summary: UK Offshore Oil and Gas Industry • The UK oil and gas industry (both onshore and offshore) employed 31,000 people directly and a further 121,000 in relevant supply chains in 2019, according to estimates from the industry body Oil and Gas UK. Overall, employment in the industry has fallen by 35% since 2013.2 • In 2016/17, government revenues from oil and gas production were £1.2 billion. This was a slight increase on previous years, but overall, tax revenue from oil and gas has declined sharply over the past decade.3 • Drilling has generally been in decline. In 2018, a total of 102 wells were drilled. Other than an increase in development wells from 2017, the number of exploration and appraisal wells commenced in 2018 fell to 8 of each; for development this was the lowest number of new wells since 1965. • Capital investment has also been falling, with investment of £5 billion in 2018, compared to £16.3 billion in 2014. The industry expects investment to stabilise in 2019 at around £5-5.5 billion per year. • The cost of decommissioning was increasing to £1.7 billion in 2018, and is expected to level out and cost £1.5 billion per year to 2027 Quote 1 min Nickfromwales locked this topic Nickfromwales Posted just now · IP @Beelbeebub, please refrain from starting two identical threads in two different forums! Its like watching a game of chuffing tennis. Members who wish to reply, please continue to do so in the other thread found here:

Just cover all the pipes with a couple of turns of either duct tape or pvc electrical tape to stave off corrosion. You can then back fill the chases with dot & dab board adhesive etc or just foam them in, but best to cover the bare copper imho.

What he said.

You can turn the T and still get a thin rod up to the bath, so no worries there. Water will come out of the WC pan before it gets anywhere near that high, but rule of thumb is as you show. 200mm is plenty, but you can go higher, just no point afaic.

This!! A decent (👀) architect will be doing the brunt of this, and basically NOT designing a house that they know would rock the boat. If you push the envelope then the planning consultant is your new friend. But not until then.

I do like this forum. Some very useful information , and real life feedback here. Thanks for the additional detail @TerryE Tres bien. 👌.

Boilers usually have the trap inbuilt . I’ve fitted more gas boilers than I care to remember, and we’ve never had to fit a 3rd party trap. And yes, your pic is spot on.

The pipe off the 110mm should be 50mm up to where it heads in to the bath, turning in on a T with a rodding access (cleaning eye) for maintenance. From the 50mm T you reduce to 40mm to get to the bath T, and then the 40mm pipe continues to the boiler. That then terminates at a 40mm T with the centre of the T having a 40 > 21.5mm reducer in it for the boiler condensate, and a 40mm air admittance valve to complete the run. Absolutely ZERO need for a GSR plumber, this will just add wasted expense.

If you’d have said that earlier, I’d have said don’t dab! Metal frame saves the day (or timber) at that depth.