Ian Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Rates in North Wales are currently just under £200/day for skilled labour eg our very good joiner currently charges £180. Our build cost was £96k for a bungalow with 2 double bedroooms. It was completed 2 years ago and is 71sq.m internal area which works out at £1,350/sq.m. That price doesn't include the costs of getting Planning Permission or Building Regs fees or demolition of a previous abandoned building on the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizzie Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 I would be delighted if I could get one at £45 an hour! Send him my way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Most I know base a day on 200 minimum Which isn’t a lot even for a sole trader No holidays pension or sick pay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 I charge £25 per hour, so £200 if I do a full 8 hours (I rarely do that much) and not VAT registered so no VAT obviously. I know plumbers round here are more like £35 per hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhome Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 £200 is fine. £400 a day seems a lot for round here. It’s not like house prices are massively expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizzie Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Try £80 for 15 minutes to do shower silicone! I did get them back twice though at no extra charge but as we know its still leaking so am trying again myself. I am still on the learning curve with it but if I master it will be a big earner at those rates LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 £400/day would be a lot for around here, down in the expensive South! As luck would have it, a friend popped around a few minutes ago to borrow something, and mentioned that he's getting an electric car this summer. He's had a couple of quotes to install a charge point, and frankly the prices being charged for the electrical installation are pretty shocking. If any electricians want to make some easy money, then I suggest getting in on the charge point installation business. These things are usually eligible for a government grant, from OLEV, that contributes up to 75% of the cost of supplying and installing a charge point. I have just checked the price of one of the units he's been quoted for, and I can buy it retail for just under £500 (which is a rip off for what it is). Installation related materials would be no more than about £50 - £60 for this chaps installation (it's going in his garage, about 3m tops from the CU, not sure if there are any spare slots). The quote he's had is for £395 for the unit installed, including the OLEV grant funding. Working backwards, £395 implies that the total cost, before the grant, is £1,580 (!), so subtracting the £495 cost of the unit and a very generous amount for installation-related materials means that the electrician installing the thing is getting about £1000. The quote estimates that the work will take 4 hours. I thought I charged a lot for consultancy work, but that pales into insignificance when compared to an electrician getting £250/hour. All I can assume is that it's the usual problem when there is any government funding for anything, the price is just increased so it's the installer that gets the lion's share of the grant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 But and a big But if you contact mybuilder or simal you will find a plumber happy to work for £120 per day and will also tidy your garden Clear your gutters etc for the same rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EverHopefull Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 They are advising £2650 pm2 for a new residential build. The 11% fee has also had the CDM 2015 & contractor procurement fee added on top. We are aware of the things that can escalate costs as there is a Scandia property in the in-laws past. I have been looking at some of the German options that wrap the architect fees into the price which they halve if you actually build with them as well. We are staying calm at this point and can't thank you guys enough for the kind words and encouraging tales! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, EverHopefull said: They are advising £2650 pm2 for a new residential build. Yikes! I think that is probably a Buildhub record price (might be wrong, there may be one member here that has come close to that). A reasonable average price for a self-build is around £1,500/m², some have managed to come in under £1,000/m², some may have ended up at around £2,000/m² Ours ended up at around £1,380, with a fair bit of work from me (my labour saved perhaps £200/m²). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EverHopefull Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Hanse Haus are my preferred if I had to choose but they all look very "German" not that I dislike that but the reason we thought a architect might take ours out of the pigeon hole. We would be going for an almost turnkey service due to work commitments so accept that we will be paying a premium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhome Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, JSHarris said: Working backwards, £395 implies that the total cost, before the grant, is £1,580 Has he got quotes from the likely suspects; Chargemaster, Pod Point etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizzie Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 I wish - at £2650 pm2 I would be a very happy bunny...I don't dare tell you what ours came out at in the end because it is truly shocking! My erstwhile PM as well as working for MBC part time is also a salesman for Hanse Haus - thats how we met him at the NEC. West Sussex - different patch, different sales agent. Enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, newhome said: Has he got quotes from the likely suspects; Chargemaster, Pod Point etc? Yes, his quote is for a Rolec, which is really at the bargain basement end of charge points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhome Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, EverHopefull said: Hanse Haus are my preferred Have you looked at some of the UK suppliers such as Scotframe, Potten etc? Not sure how they stack up pricewise, and some might not do completely turnkey but you could still employ a builder to make it turnkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, lizzie said: I wish - at £2650 pm2 I would be a very happy bunny...I don't dare tell you what ours came out at in the end because it is truly shocking! I was thinking of you when I typed that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizzie Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, JSHarris said: I was thinking of you when I typed that! One day when you are sitting down I will tell you what it cost LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhome Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, lizzie said: One day when you are sitting down I will tell you what it cost LOL We’re sitting down! I’ll start at 3k m2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizzie Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, newhome said: We’re sitting down! I’ll start at 3k m2? if only! Im not ready to share yet its too scary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhome Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, JSHarris said: Yes, his quote is for a Rolec, which is really at the bargain basement end of charge points. Ah, I meant had he got a supply and fit quote from them. Pod Point and Chargemaster seem to be charging about £200 - £300 once the grant is taken into account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimpsy Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 hours ago, EverHopefull said: Hanse Haus are my preferred if I had to choose but they all look very "German" Hanse Haus will build you anything you want it doesn't have to look German, I think they come in around £1800 sqm external measurements for turnkey and £1100 shell only. Have a chat to Pete Sadler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 48 minutes ago, newhome said: Ah, I meant had he got a supply and fit quote from them. Pod Point and Chargemaster seem to be charging about £200 - £300 once the grant is taken into account. Yes he has, I believe, but I'll check when I seem him tomorrow. The headline prices for charge points seem to be a fair way off the true price, but even so, £200 after the grant = £800 in reality, for a unit that costs around £400 trade price (probably a fair bit less than this, as they retail at under £500), plus around £50 of materials to install, and which takes 4 hours labour? That's still just under £90/hour for labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizzie Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 @dimpsy they come in at more £ than that from the quote I had over 2 years ago and their prices are only for the ‘house’ no groundworks or peripherals and you have to do everything to their exact spec of course...... mega bucks for the health & safety package too. When you get to Germany for the interior choosing the basic range is what is included anything more upmarket is extra. As I recall even on ‘house’ price is for white upvc windows anything over is an upgrade etc. Nothing wrong with all that and basic range is not bad but you need to watch things dont run away when you decide you want better doors or lightswitches etc. They were more flexible than most package suppliers and anything is possible at a price but for example they said they could not do my roof due to design it would have to be done separately here by another contractor so turnkey is not quite as it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhome Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, JSHarris said: That's still just under £90/hour for labour. Yep it’s crazy. In Scotland they will top up the OLEV grant so we got the one here for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, newhome said: Yep it’s crazy. In Scotland they will top up the OLEV grant so we got the one here for nothing. I have two charge points, one either end of the drive. Both are home made, and have about £15 worth of components in them. The most expensive item was the plug on the 32 A tethered one, which cost around £50. If I can design, build and test a charge point, using parts bought at retail prices, for well under £100, I find it hard to understand why they are being sold for £500 or so, plus the same again, or more, for installation. Someone, somewhere, is making a great deal of money from these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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