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38 minutes ago, Onoff said:

 

Interesting question...Kate Beckinsale and I'd write the script...the scene where I'm using the rainfall shower for the first time! ;)

 

In a similar vein a mate & I had a long running discussion who could play Jack Reacher should the films be made. Dolph Lungren...Aaron Eckhart, Stephen Lang, Dwayne Johnson. Whoever we decided that at the guy in the books is something like 250lbs and 6'5" he'd need presence. Lo and behold Tom Cruise bought the rights and cast himself! :)

 

(I've been told I look like Stephen Amell as Oliver Queen). 

Not another porno ! ???

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6 hours ago, PeterW said:

So @Nickfromwales do you not just use flexible tile adhesive on tanked timber ..?? Or is it adhesive for flat bits and no nails etc for for vertical bits ..??? 

 

Quite a bit here:

 

https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/topic/4894-tilingmany-questions/?page=32&tab=comments#comment-123094

 

Just thinking further that if using polymer tile primer atop tanking it is better to use a polymer based "adhesive" like CT1 etc.

 

One think I'm not sure on is how much gun type "whatever adhesive" to put on the back of the tile. On my bath deck the tiles will be say 400x100 with L shaped ones at the corner. Around the perimeter of the tile maybe but would that allow hollows? In lines but then I'd worry if water got through the grout? For a complete "bed" coverage tile adhesive may have advatages!

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10 minutes ago, Onoff said:

Quite a bit here:

 

Change it to a link rather than embed because embed takes you to the first post but a link takes you to the post you want to reference. Yeah it’s crap but them’s the breaks. 

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24 minutes ago, newhome said:

 

Change it to a link rather than embed because embed takes you to the first post but a link takes you to the post you want to reference. Yeah it’s crap but them’s the breaks. 

 

Ta. Done, I think...

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So Kevin at CT1 suggested I experiment with CT1 Power Grab & Bond as to whether it is compatible with Aquaseal tanking. Glad I did! My sample bit of ply:

 

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I'd run out as I said before of proper Aquaseal primer so primed 4:1 with SBR. Let that dry and put two coats of Aquaseal tanking membrane on. Then, on No1 sample section only I primed with Ultra ProPrimer:

 

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Two bits of tile stuck on with CT1 Power Grab & Bond:

 

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Then the "prise" test. No.1 pretty much came off by hand! :(Did I not leave the ProPrimer long enough to dry?

 

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No.2 though fared better imo:

 

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Undecided at the mo. Haven't got to decide tonight, still cutting tiles!

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Dry fitted only but we can see where we're going!

 

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Slight prob at the mo is that the bath is right down on the 4 tiles on the left but there's clearance between bath lip and tiles on the right. They're not lifting the bath on the left but there's just no clearance at all. Could likely do with the feet adjusting but there is no way I can get to the one far left...maybe slide a stainless plate under the "low" feet.

 

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Just now, CC45 said:

Is it going to be noticed by anyone except you?

 

I'm more worried that there's no room under the tile for any adhesive or "CT1" etc. That and when there's weight (water / bodies) in it it might bear down and crack the tiles. It's a combination of things; me relying on a spirit level rather than the laser, the thickness of the tanking tape etc.

 

We'll get there!

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1 hour ago, Onoff said:

 

I'm more worried that there's no room under the tile for any adhesive or "CT1" etc. That and when there's weight (water / bodies) in it it might bear down and crack the tiles. It's a combination of things; me relying on a spirit level rather than the laser, the thickness of the tanking tape etc.

 

We'll get there!

If you can get SS shims under the offending feet then I would. You need the bath just floating over the tiles as, as you say, once its full of water there could be a lot of weight bearing down.

Its equally important to get the tiles completely flat all the way along that bath edge. You should be able to see down that side and get them spot on.

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34 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said:

If you can get SS shims under the offending feet then I would. You need the bath just floating over the tiles as, as you say, once its full of water there could be a lot of weight bearing down.

Its equally important to get the tiles completely flat all the way along that bath edge. You should be able to see down that side and get them spot on.

 

I was just faffing about with coloured packs to see what's what at the 4 corners but it's compounded by the fact I've got lumps of membrane on the bath lip. Need to take them off before I properly assess.

 

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It's about 3mm on this corner. Brown insulating tape just to protect edge from getting covered in tanking.

 

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5 hours ago, Nickfromwales said:

So close to finishing.....we can almost taste victory!

 

Pity those deck tiles aren't actually stuck down yet! :(

 

Going to do another "test" sticking tiles to MEMBRANED ply with CT1 Power Grab to confirm the results above. (Half kicking myself for just having bought 3 more tubes of the stuff ). If I don't use it on the deck and just the (plain ply) bath end, I'll have two tubes left over!

 

On the "direct to ply" bath sides it appears to have stuck the tiles like sh!t to a blanket. I can't remember but I've half a feeling I may have, way back, actually given that ply a coat of genuine Aquaseal primer thinking I'd be applying membrane soon thereafter! :)

 

On the little sample piece that appeared to have stuck well I really went for it and tried to pull the tile off. Not sure what this shows? Seemingly where the CT1 PG&B is "full width" of the sample the tile is still stuck fast to the ply. It's the little stained areas either side that concern me suggesting it didn't adhere. Maybe for the next test ensure the tile backs are washed & scrubbed clean?

 

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You've used Aquaseal tanking membrane before I think. Have you "siliconed" or "grab adhesived" tiles direct to the (blue) membraned substrate? What fid you use and did you use a primer?

 

Cheers

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Now that's weird...explain this:

 

Dry fitting the tiles I laid them on the dry tanking. The tiles had been wet cut, rinsed under running water, paper towelled dry and stood against a radiator to dry off a bit. 

 

To carry on tonight with levelling the bath and to clear the excess tanking from under the lip, I lifted the loose tiles up.

 

Under the tiles the tanking is "wet"...condensation?

 

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Same goes for when I left a stack of tiles on the window cill. Wet between the tiles when I shifted them. So that's cold tiles, stacked one on top of each other "spaced" by the ribs under the tiles. Warm 'ish room.

 

Like some sort of weird heat exchanger.

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@PeterW, ref whether it's back to the tiling after the CH/HW valves diversion...

 

I keep missing calls from Kevin at C-Tec ref whether I can/should use CT1 Power Grab & Bond to put the tiles on the tanked deck after I sent him pics of my rough tests with it. One time I did call him he was on a day off out in Brum.  Offered to call me back that night from his hotel but I said to leave it. 

 

Still find it odd how when there is no moisture on any of the tiled surfaces in the bathroom, if I leave a tile "unstuck" on the tanked deck it develops condensation underneath!

 

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59 minutes ago, Onoff said:

@PeterW, ref whether it's back to the tiling after the CH/HW valves diversion...

 

I keep missing calls from Kevin at C-Tec ref whether I can/should use CT1 Power Grab & Bond to put the tiles on the tanked deck after I sent him pics of my rough tests with it. One time I did call him he was on a day off out in Brum.  Offered to call me back that night from his hotel but I said to leave it. 

 

Still find it odd how when there is no moisture on any of the tiled surfaces in the bathroom, if I leave a tile "unstuck" on the tanked deck it develops condensation underneath!

 

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It’s nearly Xmas ! Drink some wine eat some snitzel and let it go ?

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49 minutes ago, newhome said:

 

Think he's more a beer and nuts sort of guy ;)

 

I'll have you know I swing both ways! 

 

Can't beat a drop of Chateauneuf-du-Pape...now where's that pint pot...

 

Wine, beer, just haven't touched spirits for over 30 years now.

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