Mad Dictators

[saveasteading]

25 minutes ago, scottishjohn said:

wouldn,t it be good if our politcians followed the burgers of calais and spontaneously combusted

I recommend all, especially critics,  to consider standing for their local parish or borough. 

Then report back on whether it was easy, well rewarded, selfish: or hard work, not or barely rewarded, or public spirited.

Or  to stop criticising all councillors, politicians and  public servants.

 

[saveasteading]

30 minutes ago, scottishjohn said:

wouldn,t it be good if our politcians followed the burgers of calais and spontaneously combusted

I recommend all, especially critics,  to consider standing for their local parish or borough. We need you.

Then report back on whether it was easy, well rewarded, selfish: or hard work, not or barely rewarded, or public spirited.

Or  to stop criticising all councillors, politicians and  public servants.

 

[saveasteading]

A further thought on this.  We often see comments (I am not referring to BH) that 'they are all the same' or 'all on the brown envelopes'.

 

I suspect that people saying that are projecting what they would be doing, onto others.  
They might usefully attend a council meeting, of which most are public, and see if they fancy giving up several evenings a month to keep the wheels moving.

Yes there are people who abuse their position, but most are well intentioned, even if we might not agree with them,  and give up a lot of time.

 

There are often vacancies on Parish Councils which gives useful experience before having to stand for election at the next 4 year cycle.

 

[scottishjohn]

1 hour ago, saveasteading said:

A further thought on this.  We often see comments (I am not referring to BH) that 'they are all the same' or 'all on the brown envelopes'.

 

I suspect that people saying that are projecting what they would be doing, onto others.  
They might usefully attend a council meeting, of which most are public, and see if they fancy giving up several evenings a month to keep the wheels moving.

Yes there are people who abuse their position, but most are well intentioned, even if we might not agree with them,  and give up a lot of time.

 

There are often vacancies on Parish Councils which gives useful experience before having to stand for election at the next 4 year cycle.

 

having tried to gat a simple thing like  the requirement to book a spot   at the recycling center done away with   -- you cannot just turn up

 

better than that you cannot even take half used tins of paint 

 

 yet you can take car batteries -- cos they will get paid for them 

 

and they wonder fly tipping is a problem 

 

 

 and being told by more than one D&G  counciller that they tried and were blocked by the council    on the grounds that it helps things run  better  and would not discuss it any further -

 

-i do not see anything that my local town council could do on any subject  -so on point in joining

 

 

 it is so simple -- you turn up dump your stuff and leave -- if you pick wrong time you might have to queue--

 

 how is making everyone ring or email D&G council  to book a slot going to make things better -- just making another job and more paperwork 

 

 so you have to plan when you want to go and not just decide to have clear out and go dump it  and they are only open certain days and never before 12.00-16.00

 

this to me shows the nature of the "civil service " very accurately -- making more jobs and making more useless data 

 

 if the skip is full then they just get it emptied and as they are huge  that will never get filled in a day 

 

do i believe they will monitor the fill rate of the different skips any better --NO

 

 they do not even ask what you are bringing  or how much of it

 

 just another spread sheet to maybe look at usage and decide if they can shut it

 

I already have a 20 mile  journey to there as it is --

 

and that info they can get by seeing how often they need to empty the skips

 

 so do I think being on a local town council will have any impact on the areas  D&G council control-- NO

 

 

 

[Beelbeebub]

Lots of "my ex next door neighbour's sister once dated an oil rig worker in the 90's and she said there was loads of oil under Glastonbury tor" 

 

I'm going to use the projection done by the oil industry on the basis that 

 

A) they know more about the potential for pip and gas extraction around the UK than anyone on this forum

B) they have no vested interest in minimising potential - which is a common retort to using the NSTA figures "ah but Ed Milliband told them to lie, there is actually loads of oil left".

 

these is the oil and gas industry low and high projections

 

The low one is approximately (but not exactly) the NSTA "current course".

 

 

 

So by 2035 we will produce at best, half the oil and gas we do now (ie 25% of current consumption).

 

On current trends maybe 13% of current demand.

 

So all the arguing is arguing over the rate of decline - steep or steeper.

 

There is no "up" scenario. There is no going back to the late 90's when we had a surplus and became a (small) exporter

 

The only way the UK can become less dependent on imported oil and gas is for the UK to become less dependent on oil and gas 

[SteamyTea]

6 minutes ago, Beelbeebub said:

loads of oil under Glastonbury tor

Loads in Dorset.

Wytch Farm is the largest onshore oil field in Europe.

 

110,000 barrels a day in 1997, 50,000 B/D in 2002.

It is estimated that there is 479.6 million barrels left.  There is also 4.73 million tonnes of natural gas liquids and 1.42 billion cubic metres (50×109 cu ft) of natural gas.

So why is this not being exploited then?  it is already a production site with the infrastructure there, locals are used to it.

[Beelbeebub]

7 minutes ago, SteamyTea said:

Loads in Dorset.

Wytch Farm is the largest onshore oil field in Europe.

 

110,000 barrels a day in 1997, 50,000 B/D in 2002.

It is estimated that there is 479.6 million barrels left.  There is also 4.73 million tonnes of natural gas liquids and 1.42 billion cubic metres (50×109 cu ft) of natural gas.

So why is this not being exploited then?  it is already a production site with the infrastructure there, locals are used to it.

 

 

"Loads" is doing a lot of work there....

 

The largest onshore oil has 480 million barrels of oil..... sounds alot until you realise the UK consumes about 1.4 million barrels a day.

 

So all that oil wouldn't last us until this time next year.

 

And 1,420 million cubic meters of gas sounds alot until you factor the UK uses around 142 million cubic meters *a day* in the summer 

 

So all that gas wouldn't even last us to the end of this month.

 

Again we are simply discussing the difference between a two declines, one slightly shallower that the other.

[scottishjohn]

1 hour ago, SteamyTea said:

So why is this not being exploited then?  it is already a production site with the infrastructure there, locals are used to it.

probably same reason as the solway firth  and morecambe bay --national fuel security 

 

 is beelebub so naive to think that his data is accurate and that the government can,t put a twist on it

 

at least give them credit for being devious if it suits the national interest 

[saveasteading]

2 hours ago, scottishjohn said:

do  I think being on a local town council will have any impact on the areas  D&G council control-- NO

 

You mention "they" a lot.

It sounds as if  the community needs "you"  and others with practical ideas to get things changed.