Static caravan sewage?

[Amateur bob]

I have recently moved into a static caravan i havent had much time.due to being at harvest so i have everything in place except the sewage, currently using toilet in parents house, whats the best solution? Septic tank or a portable type toilet? 

 

I expect to be in the static for 10 months max, is it worth the hassle and expense of installing a septic tank?  And do i need planning?

 

Thanks

[Amateur bob]

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[Crofter]

A septic tank also needs a soakaway- it's a pretty large project. You'll need a building warrant for that. You'll have to do percolation tests first to determine the ground conditions, which then sets the size for the soakaway.

I'm not sure that the tank/soakaway needs planning, but you do need planning to live permanently in the static caravan.

 

For a ten month period, I don't think I would bother. Can you connect to the sewerage system at the house? Possibly with a macerator pump? Alternatively, a chemical loo would probably be a reasonable temporary solution.

[Iceverge]

Can you get the house septic tank completed ASAP and connect to that?

 

Otherwise I know of a person who made their own "temporarily" septic tank. It lasted years with no issues. 

 

3 x IBC for about €50 each joined together in the same fashion as a septic tank with lots of holes drilled in the third one as a "soakaway". All buried and connected in an afternoon. 

 

For a person or two in a static caravan I think the environmental risk on appropriate soil would be absolutely minimal. 

 

 

 

 

[Iceverge]

https://www.wikihow.com/Construct-a-Small-Septic-System

 

 

[Amateur bob]

9 hours ago, Crofter said:

A septic tank also needs a soakaway- it's a pretty large project. You'll need a building warrant for that. You'll have to do percolation tests first to determine the ground conditions, which then sets the size for the soakaway.

I'm not sure that the tank/soakaway needs planning, but you do need planning to live permanently in the static caravan.

 

For a ten month period, I don't think I would bother. Can you connect to the sewerage system at the house? Possibly with a macerator pump? Alternatively, a chemical loo would probably be a reasonable temporary solution.

i didnt bother with planning as im told you can live in one temporarily when i house is being constructed and you can also have one for an agricultural worker and im both,i did think about a chemical loo u mean like a portable one?

[Amateur bob]

9 hours ago, Iceverge said:

Can you get the house septic tank completed ASAP and connect to that?

 

Otherwise I know of a person who made their own "temporarily" septic tank. It lasted years with no issues. 

 

3 x IBC for about €50 each joined together in the same fashion as a septic tank with lots of holes drilled in the third one as a "soakaway". All buried and connected in an afternoon. 

 

For a person or two in a static caravan I think the environmental risk on appropriate soil would be absolutely minimal. 

 

 

 

i dont really want the hassle of planning or building warrants tbh, suppose i could put a pail under the outlet and dig a hole somewhere with the digger or is this too barbaric?

 

unfortunately the house is going at the other side of the farm from the caravan and dont really want to burry the tank and have to dig it up again etc, the IBC thing could be an option its more of a cesspit then than a sewage tank? would it not smell bad near the caravan?

[Iceverge]

No connect 2 recepticles together in an appropriate fashion and it will act as a septic tank. Have a look at that wikihow link. 

 

So long as you're careful with the amount of toilet roll you put down the loo and spare the detergents it will work safely for decades. (Good practice for any waste water treatment). 

 

If you're near a farm slurry pit the waste from a human or two would not be noticed if a pipe was to make its way in there. Not recommended legally I have heard of it happening.

 

 

 

[saveasteading]

If there is a sewer available  then you can wheel the caravan waste tank to it, lift the cover,  and discharge.

 

OR dig a hole to empty it, well away from your works, let the liquid disappear and gradually fill in. Sawdust is a recognised bug killer too. New hole every 2 weeks or so.

Do this until someone stops you, but it won't be harmful short term.

 

OR make a composting toilet, again using sawdust. No chemicals needed.

 

OR long drop, roman style. Don't fall in.

[ProDave]

Marsh make a small "portable" treatment plant designed to slide under a caravan.

[Amateur bob]

28 minutes ago, saveasteading said:

If there is a sewer available  then you can wheel the caravan waste tank to it, lift the cover,  and discharge.

 

OR dig a hole to empty it, well away from your works, let the liquid disappear and gradually fill in. Sawdust is a recognised bug killer too. New hole every 2 weeks or so.

Do this until someone stops you, but it won't be harmful short term.

 

OR make a composting toilet, again using sawdust. No chemicals needed.

 

OR long drop, roman style. Don't fall in.

Ive been looking online over £500 for effluent tanks, not cheap, how do u mean wheel the waste? A specialised carrier? The only issue with tipping it in a hole with a pail every day is risk of catching ecoli etc? Is this a high risk?

[saveasteading]

[saveasteading]

4 minutes ago, Amateur bob said:

risk of catching ecoli etc?

Or simpler plastic tanks that need carrying. Just goohle for caravan waste drim.  You won't catch anything off your own fresh waste. Gloves, hand sanitiser?

But if the whole idea of drains worries you, best hire a commercial thunder box. £30 X 40 weeks?

[Amateur bob]

3 hours ago, saveasteading said:

is that not for waste water? would it be suitable for sewage too?

[Amateur bob]

4 hours ago, saveasteading said:

Or simpler plastic tanks that need carrying. Just goohle for caravan waste drim.  You won't catch anything off your own fresh waste. Gloves, hand sanitiser?

But if the whole idea of drains worries you, best hire a commercial thunder box. £30 X 40 weeks?

howd u mean tanks that need carrying can i use waste water tanks for sewage?

 

thats £1200, im trying to keep costs down just now or id just pay it

[ProDave]

24 minutes ago, Amateur bob said:

is that not for waste water? would it be suitable for sewage too?

That is an "aquaroll" other makes are available) for transporting fresh drinking water to a touring caravan. Nothing to to with waste.

[ProDave]

This is the Marsh portable treatment plant designed to slide under a static caravan.  It will discharge grey waste water that still needs to go to a soakaway or possibly to a watercourse.

 

https://www.theseptictankstore.co.uk/shop/marsh-portapura-m5-sewage-treatment-plant-5-person/#:~:text=Description,also perfect for glamping accommodation.

[Russell griffiths]

Do you have livestock on the farm or just arable. 
if you have livestock then there’s your answer. 

[Amateur bob]

2 minutes ago, ProDave said:

This is the Marsh portable treatment plant designed to slide under a static caravan.  It will discharge grey waste water that still needs to go to a soakaway or possibly to a watercourse.

 

https://www.theseptictankstore.co.uk/shop/marsh-portapura-m5-sewage-treatment-plant-5-person/#:~:text=Description,also perfect for glamping accommodation.

thanks thats quite a hefty price though ive found another one online, still more money than id like to part with but let me know ur thoughts

 

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[Amateur bob]

4 minutes ago, Russell griffiths said:

Do you have livestock on the farm or just arable. 
if you have livestock then there’s your answer. 

yes i have cattle, how do u mean?

[saveasteading]

1 hour ago, ProDave said:

Nothing to to with waste

OK. Accepted. Isn't there an equivalent for waste?

This one says it is for grey waste. Nobody is checking. Or  eat charcoal? 

[ProDave]

This is the sort of thing most touring caravans use to collect their grey waste water and wheel it to the appropriate drain on a site.

 

 

[Amateur bob]

1 minute ago, ProDave said:

This is the sort of thing most touring caravans use to collect their grey waste water and wheel it to the appropriate drain on a site.

 

 

yes ive seen these online, its black water waste im dealing with though, would a holding tank rather than a septic tank require less paperwork? water tanks can be bought online and a company could come and empty it every so often?

[ProDave]

Why not build or buy a composing toilet so it is only grey waste water you have to deal with?

[Amateur bob]

14 minutes ago, ProDave said:

Why not build or buy a composing toilet so it is only grey waste water you have to deal with?

What sort of price range are they?