vfrdave Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Has anyone provided any means of internal fall protection on their build, specifically during the roofing phase? I had an unwanted visitor by way of the health and safety inspector and he now wants me to provide fall protection. Air bags or bean bags was suggested but neither seem readily available in NI. Trestle planks and plywood it might have to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alphonsox Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 What ! Falling from where to where ? We had first floor boarding and scaffolding in place but nothing else. Ask them for the full specification of the air bags/ beanbags and question every parameter. In the meantime put the roof on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vfrdave Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 @Alphonsox falling from roof trusses to the floor single story building. Unfortunately work has been stopped by prohibition notice until he is satisfied, so can't continue with roof in the meantime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Construction Channel Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 what kind of area do you need to cover? how long do you need them for? (just for the trusses or the entire time anyone is working on the roof) can you claim they will only work in stages? (only cover half the floor at a time) could you consider harnesses? I remember when we got called upon by HSE, had to spend a month wearing hi-vis and buy an accident book..... we got off lightly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alphonsox Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 That has got to be unlucky, there's a lot of places around us where HSE isn't even an afterthought. How about boarding out the loft as a solution ? That should limit the drop to a couple of meters, would that work ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney12 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 On a great deal of major developers sites you now can't even climb a ladder without fall arrest (I.e. Harness, lanyard). Oh that's if they even allow ladders!! Many don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC45 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 We hired in fall arest bags - timber frame company requirement. Never saw one being used. They left one behind - makes a useful seat on site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 I have three full harnesses available with the relevant strops and carabiners . When we come to do the roof I'm hoping to provide a net : but our roofer suggests we circumvent that issue by building the first floor first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 I also provided a fall arrest harness etc, mainly for the PV installer. He didn't use it and had an accident when the ladder up the roof that he was working from slid sideways. He was damned lucky, in that the ladder slid towards the centre gable, so just smashed the valley GRP moulding and stopped there. Even after that accident he wouldn't use the harness, but I did insist on him fixing ladder braces to the scaffold planks and tying the ladder securely so that it couldn't move sideways before he went up there again. You cannot force someone to use PPE, and if you provide it then you have to back that up with the appropriate certification. If you provide something like a fall arrest anchor point, then you are also wholly responsible for ensuring it is adequate, so there are some risks in providing PPE on site. My general policy was to have signs highlighting the PPE requirement, keep a bucket full of basic stuff (gloves, safety glasses, helmets) on site, plus a first air kit and eye wash station. Beyond that any PPE was for my personal use only, and if used by anyone else was at their own risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vfrdave Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 This is what HSENI say about the use of harnesses for internal fall protection:- Harnesses should be the last option considered, and only used by workers who have been trained in their use and the use planned by someone competent to take into account: the circumstances strength and location of available anchor points type/length of lanyard suspension height and obstacles means of rescue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney12 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 16 minutes ago, vfrdave said: This is what HSENI say about the use of harnesses for internal fall protection:- Harnesses should be the last option considered, and only used by workers who have been trained in their use and the use planned by someone competent to take into account: the circumstances strength and location of available anchor points type/length of lanyard suspension height and obstacles means of rescue It will. All PPE is deemed as the last option/resort in terms of H&S. If you do a risk assessment and show that PPE is appropriate to the risk then thats fine. However, its impossible to give proper advise without being able to see or know full details of the site, job and appropriate risks. Oooooh and that lovely word "competent". The HSE love it. Now there is a whole bag of onions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 The TF firm on the current project used Trad Deck. PITA to install, especially if there are smaller rooms and corridors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vfrdave Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 Trad deck is what I have ended up using not too bad to install did it on my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan52 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Them peaks still standing!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vfrdave Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 They were at 1630 nearly scared to go and look now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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