saveasteading Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Just now, Amateur bob said: expensive to cross road About £600 to mole it? The longer coil of pipe you put in, the fewer connections and leakage risks. For the best pipe prices and long lengths. try the specialist suppliers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur bob Posted October 19, 2023 Author Share Posted October 19, 2023 3 hours ago, saveasteading said: About £600 to mole it? The longer coil of pipe you put in, the fewer connections and leakage risks. For the best pipe prices and long lengths. try the specialist suppliers. heres a quote from someone on here a while back The cheapest price I could get to run 140m of water pipe down the lane was nearly £24k. That was using a contractor (approved by highways and Wessex Water) to dig the trench, lay the pipe, and make good, and Wessex Water doing the connections, installing the meter etc. my connection point is 600m away so this is a big concern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Not sure whose quote you are reading but ‘down the lane’ implies to me a road or pavement dig not across fields. They will probably only inspect both ends of the trench ie from road and into dwelling. But if in field make sure it won’t freeze. how do you plan to remove your foul/waste water? If that’s by public sewer then they will ask about your incoming water. if your only building an annexe you might get away with connection to existing property because some annexe don’t have own council tax. But I’m guessing it’s not an annexe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilly Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 A secondary/ submeter off the main one might be a possibility in your situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur bob Posted October 20, 2023 Author Share Posted October 20, 2023 13 hours ago, Susie said: Not sure whose quote you are reading but ‘down the lane’ implies to me a road or pavement dig not across fields. They will probably only inspect both ends of the trench ie from road and into dwelling. But if in field make sure it won’t freeze. how do you plan to remove your foul/waste water? If that’s by public sewer then they will ask about your incoming water. if your only building an annexe you might get away with connection to existing property because some annexe don’t have own council tax. But I’m guessing it’s not an annexe. im planning to put in a treatment plant, klargester, no its not an annex its a 1 and 3/4 storey house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur bob Posted October 20, 2023 Author Share Posted October 20, 2023 11 hours ago, Jilly said: A secondary/ submeter off the main one might be a possibility in your situation? thats an interesting idea, connect to the pipe going thru field and put a metre on it for myself? interestingly the guy who the pipe goes to has a metre and he subtracts his total off the main one where it comes off the main so that hes not paying because as i said the same pipe goes up to the farm steading which isnt residential so has to pay, in reality i should be free to so the guy in the house would just be subtracting a bigger amount from the total if i just joined on to his pipe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saveasteading Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Amateur bob said: planning to put in a treatment plant, That proposal goes in as part of building regs, and they will forward it to sepa. , Another thread perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMo Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, Amateur bob said: im planning to put in a treatment plant, klargester, no its not an annex its a 1 and 3/4 storey house In Scotland, you explicit approval from SEPA to install a treatment plant and soak away. Full design details need to be submitted and approved. 9 minutes ago, Amateur bob said: thats an interesting idea, connect to the pipe going thru field and put a metre on it for myself? interestingly the guy who the pipe goes to has a metre and he subtracts his total off the main one where it comes off the main so that hes not paying because as i said the same pipe goes up to the farm steading which isnt residential so has to pay, in reality i should be free to so the guy in the house would just be subtracting a bigger amount from the total if i just joined on to his pipe? Just do a proper job, teeing off another pipe will just end up with you or the other person getting a dribble out of the tap, if the other runs their tap at the same time. If you want to build, do it properly or not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur bob Posted October 20, 2023 Author Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 minute ago, JohnMo said: In Scotland, you explicit approval from SEPA to install a treatment plant and soak away. Full design details need to be submitted and approved. Just do a proper job, teeing off another pipe will just end up with you or the other person getting a dribble out of the tap, if the other runs their tap at the same time. If you want to build, do it properly or not at all. yes ive an engineer working on designs and my draiinage system at the moment, regarding the water pressure i suspect there is enough for another house as we used to house double the amount of cattle in that steading drinking at the water toughs with no issues, a house only uses water occasionally i.e when you run a tap or take a shower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 What you're proposing to do is illegal under the 1980 and 2002 water industry acts. You'll need to apply for your own connection to SW, or drill a borehole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 I tend to agree with a new supply, should it ever get sold sharing will cause problems and you know you will have decent pressure 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceverge Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 33 minutes ago, Amateur bob said: yes ive an engineer working on designs and my draiinage system at the moment, regarding the water pressure i suspect there is enough for another house as we used to house double the amount of cattle in that steading drinking at the water toughs with no issues, a house only uses water occasionally i.e when you run a tap or take a shower? Flow issues can be overcome with a cold water accumulator and a booster pump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR10 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 56 minutes ago, Amateur bob said: yes ive an engineer working on designs and my draiinage system at the moment, regarding the water pressure i suspect there is enough for another house as we used to house double the amount of cattle in that steading drinking at the water toughs with no issues, a house only uses water occasionally i.e when you run a tap or take a shower? If you have a planning condition to connect to the public water supply, you'll need confirmation from SW that this has been done in order to discharge the condition. If SW does not approve of a branched connection from a neighbouring line then you'll never get this condition discharged until you do it the right way which is with SW engagement. Do it right once and you save yourself a massive headache and being tripped up by 'paperwork' (or lack of) when it comes to obtaining completion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur bob Posted October 20, 2023 Author Share Posted October 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Conor said: What you're proposing to do is illegal under the 1980 and 2002 water industry acts. You'll need to apply for your own connection to SW, or drill a borehole. are you sure its actually illegal if i were to connect at the steading given we actally own the steading and water supply there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur bob Posted October 20, 2023 Author Share Posted October 20, 2023 2 hours ago, MR10 said: If you have a planning condition to connect to the public water supply, you'll need confirmation from SW that this has been done in order to discharge the condition. If SW does not approve of a branched connection from a neighbouring line then you'll never get this condition discharged until you do it the right way which is with SW engagement. Do it right once and you save yourself a massive headache and being tripped up by 'paperwork' (or lack of) when it comes to obtaining completion. ok ill need to check its actually a condition, can you get a mortgage without a completion certificate given ill have a mortgage to start with for the build? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur bob Posted October 20, 2023 Author Share Posted October 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Iceverge said: Flow issues can be overcome with a cold water accumulator and a booster pump. thanks, are these expensive to install/maintain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur bob Posted October 20, 2023 Author Share Posted October 20, 2023 3 hours ago, joe90 said: I tend to agree with a new supply, should it ever get sold sharing will cause problems and you know you will have decent pressure 👍 the new supply could be doable if i can confirm that pipe can be laid with a mole plough, ill need to cross fields though so field drains could be an issue at depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelvin Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 16 minutes ago, Amateur bob said: thanks, are these expensive to install/maintain? It’s a tank and a pump https://pumpexpress.co.uk/explaining-cold-water-accumulators/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 24 minutes ago, Amateur bob said: the new supply could be doable if i can confirm that pipe can be laid with a mole plough, ill need to cross fields though so field drains could be an issue at depth Just ask the farmer. 🤞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceverge Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 I would get some prices to make an informed decision. In 2020 in Ireland we had a borehole all done and dusted for about €4000. Similarly our council requires separate supplies for a farms and houses. A person in my locality was only granted planning on this condition although he owned an existing borehole 30m from the house. As to whether the second borehole got done in the end I couldn't possibly say but it was shown in the plans.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR10 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Amateur bob said: ok ill need to check its actually a condition, can you get a mortgage without a completion certificate given ill have a mortgage to start with for the build? thanks You'll need to check with a mortgage provider/broker what the requirements are for moving from a self build mortgage to a standard mortgage. My guess is a completion certificate may be one of those requirements. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable in mortgage matters can confirm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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