Sophiae Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 I am sure a lot of you know me by now 🙂 so I am posting it here separately so that others may be able to contribute with their wisdom. This is a single story detached bungalow. Planning has been approved for this side window (ground floor) which the neighbours are not happy with (understandably) and have already erected a fence opposite so to stop me from opening it. Planning office has my full plans and BCO doesn’t mind it being a boundary wall ( I only found out the legalities of things ). My neighbours won’t grant me access to my wall. I now need help to figure out if 1. It is possible to use a T&T inward opening obscured glass window? 2. What alternatives do I have to have the room compliant for fire escape? 3. Can I move the room door so that it is facing the open space, thus opposite the exit? 4. If all fails and I use it as a play room/ office, what’s the best ventilation to use when my neighbours refuse to open the gate and allow me to access my wall? 5. Any bright ideas that won’t cost a fortune as I have already lost about £20K or more waiting to find solutions to get on with the work. Any and all comments are truly appreciated as I am unable to sleep for the last few nights trying to find a solution so it may be used for emergency overnight stay for my son’s carers.
Bonner Posted July 11, 2023 Posted July 11, 2023 Unless I am mistaken, it’s fine as it is. The bedroom door opens on to the hall. Even though not directly it’s still part of the hall and acceptable fire route. 1
Sophiae Posted July 11, 2023 Author Posted July 11, 2023 On 11/07/2023 at 07:03, Bonner said: Unless I am mistaken, it’s fine as it is. The bedroom door opens on to the hall. Even though not directly it’s still part of the hall and acceptable fire route. Expand So it doesn’t need a window?
Conor Posted July 11, 2023 Posted July 11, 2023 You still need a window for rapid ventilation. Swap it for an inward opening tilt and turn. 1
Bonner Posted July 11, 2023 Posted July 11, 2023 As above, opening window needed for ventilation but not fire escape 1
TonyT Posted July 11, 2023 Posted July 11, 2023 https://www.houseofwindows.co.uk/downloads/fensa-guide.pdf have a read of rhis
Sophiae Posted July 11, 2023 Author Posted July 11, 2023 I found this and I believe it to be true. Would you all agree?
Sophiae Posted July 11, 2023 Author Posted July 11, 2023 On 11/07/2023 at 07:20, Conor said: You still need a window for rapid ventilation. Swap it for an inward opening tilt and turn. Expand Yes that’s exactly the plan. Thank you
ETC Posted July 11, 2023 Posted July 11, 2023 On 11/07/2023 at 07:03, Bonner said: Unless I am mistaken, it’s fine as it is. The bedroom door opens on to the hall. Even though not directly it’s still part of the hall and acceptable fire route. Expand Not correct. The bedroom is an inner room and will need an alternative means of escape - ie an emergency egress window. 1
ETC Posted July 11, 2023 Posted July 11, 2023 On 11/07/2023 at 07:25, Bonner said: As above, opening window needed for ventilation but not fire escape Expand Again Not correct. You will need an EEW.
Sophiae Posted July 11, 2023 Author Posted July 11, 2023 On 11/07/2023 at 07:58, Sophiae said: I found this and I believe it to be true. Would you all agree? Expand @ETC are you happy with this?
ETC Posted July 11, 2023 Posted July 11, 2023 On 11/07/2023 at 07:20, Conor said: You still need a window for rapid ventilation. Swap it for an inward opening tilt and turn. Expand Correct. However if the window is within 1.0m of the boundary it won't be permitted.
joe90 Posted July 11, 2023 Posted July 11, 2023 On 11/07/2023 at 10:09, ETC said: However if the window is within 1.0m of the boundary it won't be permitted. Expand Then how come her BCO approved it 🤷♂️
TonyT Posted July 11, 2023 Posted July 11, 2023 On 11/07/2023 at 10:09, ETC said: Correct. However if the window is within 1.0m of the boundary it won't be permitted. Expand Planning has already been approved
ETC Posted July 11, 2023 Posted July 11, 2023 On 11/07/2023 at 10:14, joe90 said: Then how come her BCO approved it 🤷♂️ Expand No idea - I would have rejected it.
ETC Posted July 11, 2023 Posted July 11, 2023 On 11/07/2023 at 10:15, TonyT said: Planning has already been approved Expand Planning aren't concerned with fire safety.
TonyT Posted July 11, 2023 Posted July 11, 2023 Sure building control. don’t think the OP has ever mentioned a building warrant in any of the threads
Sophiae Posted July 11, 2023 Author Posted July 11, 2023 On 11/07/2023 at 10:44, TonyT said: Sure building control. don’t think the OP has ever mentioned a building warrant in any of the threads Expand I do have one. I’ve had a few visits so far and the BCO is the one guiding me to be compliant. Hence why I am asking here because he is ok with the window in question. it’s not that I don’t trust him but a few people including @ETC said it won’t be allowed even though BCO has approved it. Forgive me if I sound confused.
Sophiae Posted July 11, 2023 Author Posted July 11, 2023 On 11/07/2023 at 10:19, ETC said: No idea - I would have rejected it. Expand Hmmm. U see this is where the dilemma is. The website said within 1 meter. Doesn’t this apply?
ETC Posted July 11, 2023 Posted July 11, 2023 On 11/07/2023 at 12:49, Sophiae said: Hmmm. U see this is where the dilemma is. The website said within 1 meter. Doesn’t this apply? Expand Between 0m - 1m you can only have 1.0m2 of unprotected area - ie doors or windows. If this satisfies the ventilation requirements (1/20th of the floor area) - grand. It will satisfy EEW requirement which requires a 750mmx450mm (0.33m2) but you may come across resistance from your neighbour. The window you have shown is too big. 1
Sophiae Posted July 11, 2023 Author Posted July 11, 2023 On 11/07/2023 at 14:27, ETC said: Between 0m - 1m you can only have 1.0m2 of unprotected area - ie doors or windows. If this satisfies the ventilation requirements (1/20th of the floor area) - grand. It will satisfy EEW requirement which requires a 750mmx450mm (0.33m2) but you may come across resistance from your neighbour. The window you have shown is too big. Expand I can work the size up to 1m2 and my neighbours won’t be happy regardless. I am in the process of drafting a kind letter so that we are all clear. I am so grateful to you and everyone here who contributed with an answer.
Temp Posted July 11, 2023 Posted July 11, 2023 Discuss with your BCO. I note there isn't a door between the kitchen and the hall/escape route. The BCO might have an issue with that if the window can't be used.
Temp Posted July 11, 2023 Posted July 11, 2023 (edited) Aside/OT.. I would change the layout of the doors to the master bedroom and ensuite to eliminate that little corridor as it's a waste of space? Think there are several options but perhaps.. Edited July 11, 2023 by Temp 1
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