Pocster Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 So bco came out today after 6 yrs ( as I was advised then to call them once finished ) I recorded the conversation. oh dear here we go … Bathroom door should open outwards not into the bathroom . It’s in the plans I was told . It isn’t Structural steels need fire proofing . It’s in the plans . It isn’t Failing that suspended tile ceilings need 30 minute fire resistance. Spoke to supplier on this and they can’t give that . Apparently 30 mins is achieved via the frame AND tiles - and in their test conditions . I assume a copy of their fire rating test will be sufficient for bco to go away Wall water membrane system . Want to see design for this . There isn’t one of course as it’s diy . Timber frame spec !! ( even though it was up 6 yrs ago ) What annoys me is apparently these things were noted on my file 6 yrs ago but bco never told me until now . Some other “ I must find things “ aswell … I suspect it’s a box ticking exercise , but annoys me . At the end I asked him if it should be demolished. My sarcasm was lost on him …. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jimbo Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 What a pain in the ass. I hope you are able to dig out all the stuff he needs over the next couple of days, and ger it sorted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patp Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 My anxiety levels have just ratcheted up a notch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, patp said: My anxiety levels have just ratcheted up a notch What’s your worry ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patp Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Nothing specific just the thought of the bco visiting at all Long time since my work was assessed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 51 minutes ago, patp said: Nothing specific just the thought of the bco visiting at all Long time since my work was assessed! Be cool my friend. He's now asking for beam and block 'spec' - little bit late. I'll just forward him the Cemex quote and 'spec'; I'm hoping all this is BS!. When did he last come out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 I see you can get fire resistant paint for rsj ‘s at 250 quid for 20 litres !!! Just thinking of a plan B ….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 Now bco are saying there’s no evidence of the soil samples from 10 years ago !! Wtf ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) Checking back 10 years into my emails , there it is . Soil sample report sent to building control . Ive been here before with planning where they are adamant I haven’t done something , when I have . I’ve sent bco some stuff already . I’ll see their response . If they want to get shitty I’ll start bringing up all the things I’ve done and can prove . Usually I mention I might make a formal complaint - this tends to accelerate the “ tick box “ process … It’s all incompetence and BS Edited June 22, 2023 by pocster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonD Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Are you dealing with a structural warranty provider at all? If you are just wait and see what happens then. I've got structural sign off in an email from bco and the warranty company are telling me that 'all received [outstanding documents] and all ok' is not clear enough that bco is happy with it and so their underwriter wants more info. ffs! My rule is always follow up any conversation with an email and never ever delete any email at all! Take (expletive deleted) load of pictures of everything too and make sure you receive confirmation emails. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, SimonD said: Are you dealing with a structural warranty provider at all? If you are just wait and see what happens then. I've got structural sign off in an email from bco and the warranty company are telling me that 'all received [outstanding documents] and all ok' is not clear enough that bco is happy with it and so their underwriter wants more info. ffs! My rule is always follow up any conversation with an email and never ever delete any email at all! Take (expletive deleted) load of pictures of everything too and make sure you receive confirmation emails. No warranty provider . I always keep emails and have photo’d everything . It’s like he wants the cemex spec for (expletive deleted)ing blocks for example . To ask for things they noted 6 yrs later is a piss take . But I’ll wait and see how it plays out initially … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 Oops my bad!. Missed this one!! Bathroom door does open inwards when it shouldn't. The argument he gave was if someone fell on the floor in the bathroom you can't open it because their body is in the way. I've emailed back to BCO and said but if the bathroom door opened outwards and I was in the bathroom and someone collapsed outside the bathroom I can't get out. I then suggested if 2 people either side of the door collapsed neither could get out due to being unconscious and the other in the way. Perhaps bathrooms should have no doors. He's yet to reply to that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 1 hour ago, pocster said: Checking back 10 years into my emails , there it is . Soil sample report sent to building control . Ive been here before with planning where they are adamant I haven’t done something , when I have . Dunning Kruger Effect Stage 1 (I think) .... Unconcious Incompetence. Or perhaps, simple laziness and mendacity: as in I'll tell him he hasn't sent that document to us (when I know he has) just to piddle him off 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 Just now, ToughButterCup said: Dunning Kruger Effect Stage 1 (I think) .... Unconcious Incompetence. Or perhaps, simple laziness and mendacity: as in I'll tell him he hasn't sent that document to us (when I know he has) just to piddle him off Wouldn’t surprise me . My only real concern is the rsj’s not fire proofed - nothing in my plans for that though admittedly it does show them plasterboarded over and mine aren’t . So we will now continue the argument of does the suspended ceiling provide 30 mins fire protection… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saveasteading Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 On fire protecton. Perhaps i can help. Protection tends to be overspecified because it sells stuff If the steel is very chunky or is already protected to some extent it may not need more . A photo would help You mention tiles. Are these ceiling tiles in a grid? Generally fire rated 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Re the steel - we had an issue with an inconsistency between the architect's drawings (30min protection) and some accompanying notes (60 mins). The 60 was apparently stipulated by BCO based on the 4 floor house design (on a hill). I didn't notice the notes bit and had 30 min paint applied. Sh1t hits the fan - architect contracts a fire guru to write a report saying it is OK.... this may be an option for you, at least worth a look. In my case BCO would not accept the boarded/skimmed ceiling below steels with 30 min paint protection was OK as it wasn't a tested "system" - which I can understand and they just want someone else to have the claim that will never happen on their PI insurance I suspect 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 47 minutes ago, Adam2 said: Re the steel - we had an issue with an inconsistency between the architect's drawings (30min protection) and some accompanying notes (60 mins). The 60 was apparently stipulated by BCO based on the 4 floor house design (on a hill). I didn't notice the notes bit and had 30 min paint applied. Sh1t hits the fan - architect contracts a fire guru to write a report saying it is OK.... this may be an option for you, at least worth a look. In my case BCO would not accept the boarded/skimmed ceiling below steels with 30 min paint protection was OK as it wasn't a tested "system" - which I can understand and they just want someone else to have the claim that will never happen on their PI insurance I suspect Thanks . That’s a good plan . It’s all about someone taking liability ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 57 minutes ago, saveasteading said: On fire protecton. Perhaps i can help. Protection tends to be overspecified because it sells stuff If the steel is very chunky or is already protected to some extent it may not need more . A photo would help You mention tiles. Are these ceiling tiles in a grid? Generally fire rated Photo attached of typical steel . The ceiling tile company can only supply a fire rating based on a ‘test’ from the manufacturer of a test setup they’ve constructed to get a fire rating ! . I’ve sent bco the 75 page report 🫤 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 Bco also lying or ‘suddenly ‘ catching up . All these things were noted 6 yrs ago - but no one told me ! . Gut instinct is they probably were noted . Now bco wants to cover his arse …. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJNewton Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, pocster said: Oops my bad!. Missed this one!! Bathroom door does open inwards when it shouldn't. The argument he gave was if someone fell on the floor in the bathroom you can't open it because their body is in the way. I've emailed back to BCO and said but if the bathroom door opened outwards and I was in the bathroom and someone collapsed outside the bathroom I can't get out. I then suggested if 2 people either side of the door collapsed neither could get out due to being unconscious and the other in the way. Perhaps bathrooms should have no doors. He's yet to reply to that. I don't recall ever seeing a bathroom where the door opens outwards. Not saying they don't exist, but they're certainly not common in my experience! Outward opening doors inherently present an impact risk to others walking by, the mitigation usually some level of glazing to allow you to see through it but obviously not very desirable for a bathroom! I might well just be ignorant of the regs, and all the bathrooms I've been in pre-date the introduction of such a rule! (Although our own house is 2007 and they're all inward-opening - that's longer ago than I sometimes think though). Edit: Actually, we've got a downstairs toilet with an outward-opening door and perhaps that ticks the box in terms of having a wheelchair accessible toilet and that's what it's all about rather than people collapsing (which surely also happens in rooms besides bathrooms?!). Edited June 22, 2023 by MJNewton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, MJNewton said: I don't recall ever seeing a bathroom where the door opens outwards. Not saying they don't exist, but they're certainly not common in my experience! Outward opening doors inherently present an impact risk to others walking by, the mitigation usually some level of glazing to allow you to see through it but obviously not very desirable for a bathroom! I might well just be ignorant of the regs, and all the bathrooms I've been in pre-date the introduction of such a rule! (Although our own house is 2007 and they're all inward-opening - that's longer ago than I sometimes think though). Edit: Actually, we've got a downstairs toilet with an outward-opening door and perhaps that ticks the box in terms of having a wheelchair accessible toilet and that's what it's all about rather than people collapsing (which surely also happens in rooms besides bathrooms?!). I agree ; it’s not a ‘nice ‘ arrangement. I probably years ago forgot and designed the door to be more suitable/ normal . As I mention I’ll get over this issue !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJNewton Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 22 minutes ago, pocster said: I agree ; it’s not a ‘nice ‘ arrangement. I probably years ago forgot and designed the door to be more suitable/ normal . As I mention I’ll get over this issue !! Yeah, you could perhaps re-hang it then swap it back round afterwards. Maybe make it completely obvious - but still deniable - that that's what you'll be doing by leaving your tools out, pot of filler etc to one side! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saveasteading Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 I don't see any purpose in shiwing any contempt for the bco. You just want a tick and sign-off 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, saveasteading said: I don't see any purpose in shiwing any contempt for the bco. You just want a tick and sign-off I agree 100% . I need to wait ( always difficult when you want to bury the (expletive deleted) ) . As I said my gut feeling is ; once I supply bs documents it will all fade away . But what a bs farce it truly is ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJNewton Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, saveasteading said: I don't see any purpose in shiwing any contempt for the bco. You just want a tick and sign-off Yeah, I was only being mischievous. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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