zoothorn Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Hi chaps, hope all enjoying the weather & in good health. A while since I posted on BH (done 2 small jobs recently without needing to ask, due to knowledge gained on BH. Ace). Another small job Im last stages of: a handrail onto my cabin decking.. to stop me falling off 7' into my stream! Posts done, so it's handrails to attatch to their tops. Q: as my handrails are quite high (3") I need long screws. Now, I have some frame fixings the ideal length @6". So they're the beefy screws, with their long plastic plugs you hammer in 1st. Any reason why I can't use these? Thanks Zoothorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone West Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 3 hours ago, zoothorn said: So they're the beefy screws, with their long plastic plugs you hammer in 1st. If I understand you correctly, are the screws suitable to be used without the plastic plugs. I've seen lots of different types of frame fixings and some have had normal type wood screws in the plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 What’s the construction you are fixing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone West Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 1 minute ago, TonyT said: What’s the construction you are fixing? Looks like its a timber handrail on the top of timber posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 The frame fixings with the plastic part are designed for solid walls, not timber. You need wood screw or coach bolts, or similar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoothorn Posted June 5, 2023 Author Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, TonyT said: The frame fixings with the plastic part are designed for solid walls, not timber. You need wood screw or coach bolts, or similar Hi Tony, I understand frame fixings design is usually into solid walls. @Gone West thanks, yup I think you get what I mean. But what I'm asking is whether they can be used into timber instead, after all A) surely some frame surrounds won't be block at all (a timber-frame construction for eg). And B ) they look to me like big woodscrews anyway. And then if useable, whether to use the plastic plug at all.. or just use without, as normal woodscrews. Here is a woodscrew (LHS), & a frame fixing (RHS). It's as much to do with their coating, as possible use for the job. Edited June 5, 2023 by zoothorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfb Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 In my experience frame fixing screws don’t have quite as wide a thread so maybe they don’t have quite the same ‘grip’ as a normal wood screw. that said I would just use them as I’m sure they will be fine. Don’t use the plastic part. You should be able to feel how effective they are once you get going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoothorn Posted June 5, 2023 Author Share Posted June 5, 2023 57 minutes ago, jfb said: In my experience frame fixing screws don’t have quite as wide a thread so maybe they don’t have quite the same ‘grip’ as a normal wood screw. that said I would just use them as I’m sure they will be fine. Don’t use the plastic part. You should be able to feel how effective they are once you get going. Hi jfb, that makes sense to me. Have you any idea about the coating on frame screws ? Im sure you know the ones, they have a kinda goldy pinky coating.. so I wonder if they're made to be water resistant (tho I can't see how block with a dpm outside of it, would be ever anything but dry, nor any material a frame screw usually fixes to). They do look similar to std gold coloured woodscrews, but whether they are exactly this I don't know. Thanks, Zoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Get a plug cutter set to remove a hole in scrap wood, drill hole in top timber and screw into post, then pop in timber plug to hide screws, or angle brackets or toe nail screws underneath. lots of options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfb Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 2 hours ago, zoothorn said: Have you any idea about the coating on frame screws ? No idea. I’d just crack on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone West Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, zoothorn said: Have you any idea about the coating on frame screws ? Im sure you know the ones, they have a kinda goldy pinky coating.. I guess it's a passive coating, same as on some screws. Yours looks more like a woodscrew than some I've seen. Should be fine. Edited June 5, 2023 by Gone West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoothorn Posted June 6, 2023 Author Share Posted June 6, 2023 21 hours ago, Gone West said: I guess it's a passive coating, same as on some screws. Yours looks more like a woodscrew than some I've seen. Should be fine. Great thanks chaps. Will put up a pic once diddy balcony done. Zoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoothorn Posted June 9, 2023 Author Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) Thanks chaps, although not high enough to stop a -very- drunk Zoot falling over it into stream, I present my diddy handrail. It's at an alarmingly 'perch ass on corner of it' height too. A bit low! But functions to stop my seat going over. @Onoff hi there hope you're good- thought you'd like to see a bit more Zoot cabin progress: few more pics follow. Zh Edited June 9, 2023 by zoothorn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Jimbo Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Zoot the Hoot. Looks fantastic. You can take the weekend off now and enjoy a few cold one's sitting on that decking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Love it! 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoothorn Posted June 10, 2023 Author Share Posted June 10, 2023 20 hours ago, Big Jimbo said: Zoot the Hoot. Looks fantastic. You can take the weekend off now and enjoy a few cold one's sitting on that decking. Nice one BigJ, been doing -many- a beer on my deck here.. a sun trap spot, south-facing cabin. Thanks Zoot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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