CotswoldDoItUpper Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 We have a 25+ year old lean-to greenhouse attached to the house. It’s falling apart and we’d like to replace it and make it a part of the house. I know we’ll need to comply with building regs etc. but do we need planning? It’s on the boundary to a footpath and measures aprox 4m x 2.5m with a ridge height of aprox 3m. If it makes any difference, we’re covered by Stroud district planning department. it’s currently full of junk and could be a useful space for us! Thanks for advice and guidence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDamo Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 Would it meet and comply with this… https://www.planningportal.co.uk/permission/common-projects/extensions/planning-permission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldDoItUpper Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 Thanks for the reply @DevilDamo. I think it wouldn’t come under PD, as it’s on the front of our house, and we’re in an area of outstanding natural beauty (ANOB). I don’t know if there are different rules about replacing long standing existing structures or putting solid roof on a conservatory sort of thing that this would fit into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 If I were a planning officer, I would sway heavily in favour of allowing a properly built replacement extension to replace that "not very pretty" conservatory. Knowing that if a nice replacement was refused, that ugly thing would just remain there. So on that basis I would just submit a planning application for what you want. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 @ProDave bet me to it, I was thinking exactly the same, as it’s been there a long time already a replacement “nicer” structure would be an improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldDoItUpper Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 Thanks @ProDave and @markc. Do you think we’d need permission, or could we just remove it and replace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, CotswoldDoItUpper said: Thanks @ProDave and @markc. Do you think we’d need permission, or could we just remove it and replace? I would put an application in, can’t see it being refused and then you know everything is above board and there will be no complaints or objections (it’s amazing how complainers come out of nowhere when they see someone getting something nice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDamo Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 2 hours ago, CotswoldDoItUpper said: Thanks for the reply @DevilDamo. I think it wouldn’t come under PD, as it’s on the front of our house, and we’re in an area of outstanding natural beauty (ANOB). I don’t know if there are different rules about replacing long standing existing structures or putting solid roof on a conservatory sort of thing that this would fit into. So you’ve answered your own question in terms of Planning. A replacement structure is determined as it being a new build. Technically, any upgrade works you carry out to it would still require Planning as the structure itself doesn’t meet PD. Don’t know how or why you’d even consider trying to upgrade that either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldDoItUpper Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 If we took the structure and then applied for planning in the future, would that likely make it more difficult? I’m apprehensive of an application as I don’t want to spend hundreds (or even thousands) on someone to draw up the required plans. Surely there is a way to do it without the reems of paperwork? It’s only going to cost about £10k max to build I think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, CotswoldDoItUpper said: If we took the structure and then applied for planning in the future, would that likely make it more difficult? I’m apprehensive of an application as I don’t want to spend hundreds (or even thousands) on someone to draw up the required plans. Surely there is a way to do it without the reems of paperwork? It’s only going to cost about £10k max to build I think! Why would you need to spend hundred or thousands on a planning application? As you are not looking to make it any bigger etc. take a few pics and put those in with the application …. A couple of hours of your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 (edited) Search for proof that it has been there for years and years. Don't take it down unless you don't care about replacing it or not. The act of applying is not that onerous. Familiarise yourself with what you need to provide what is required by your council. @markc has a good point about the pictures. However dimensions are important too. if you feel that the greenhouse lowers the roadside appeal with your neighbours properties then take further photos showing the street facing your home. Here's a good start to guide you as to what the planning department will want: https://www.stroud.gov.uk/environment/planning-and-building-control/apply-for-planning-permission/pre-application-advice-and-enquiries In my humble opinion, the feeling I have is that permission would not be given for several reasons and that the way I would approach is by giving rise to visual improvement which means not only replacing the greenhouse but also by having the external finishes exactly the same as the front of the rest of the building. I don't think you can be made to take it down because of how long it's been there and I'm sure others here will confirm this point. Good luck Marvin Edited September 19, 2022 by Marvin Clarification 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldDoItUpper Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 58 minutes ago, markc said: Why would you need to spend hundred or thousands on a planning application? As you are not looking to make it any bigger etc. take a few pics and put those in with the application …. A couple of hours of your time. Do I not need someone to draw up the following to scale on a3 paper/PDF? site plan block plan existing plan existing elevations existing section proposed plan proposed elevations proposed sections proposed finishes proposed windows/doors design and access statement and anything else I’ve missed?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDamo Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 (edited) You will not need all that. As a minimum, you would need… - Location Plan - Block/Site Plan - Existing Plan(s) - Existing Elevations - Proposed Plan(s) - Proposed Elevations Speak to and engage a qualified professional who will advise and guide you through the fees, processes and timescales… https://architecturaltechnology.com/find-a-practice.html Edited September 19, 2022 by DevilDamo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 I would contact planning, speak to someone and see what they think or feel. Have a couple of photos and your proposal to replace with something that isn’t an eyesore and rubbish collecting area and you may find they are happy with you to get on with it. If they do want a formal application then ask what they will expect as a minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 I think I would apply for a Certificate of Lawfulness for the existing building on the grounds that it's been there more than 4 years. That would allow you to replace it with something similar. Then submit a Planning Application for something better looking. Do not take it down or allow it to fall down before you have planning permission for what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilgrim Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 2 hours ago, CotswoldDoItUpper said: Do I not need someone to draw up the following to scale on a3 paper/PDF? site plan block plan existing plan existing elevations proposed plan proposed elevations proposed finishes You can draw these yourself without too much trouble, there are a few free drawing programs that you can download and do this in a few evenings. They only need to be 2D line drawings, have a look at inkscape. The site plan and block plan you have to buy from a licensed mapping company, I used buy a plan. Do your local council do pre application planning advise? Some councils do some dont, probably worth trying that and seeing if they raise any objections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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