recoveringbuilder Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 https://apple.news/Aqm1YHZ0jQa2WB2pqdAWrvAhttps://apple.news/Aqm1YHZ0jQa2WB2pqdAWrvA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMo Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Not good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSharp01 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Eeeeeek - at least the insurers are sorting it out for them, loads of disruption though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 “The couple claim that builders should have accounted for this when building the home, which came with a 10-year guarantee under the Local Authority Building Control.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 There were probably close to 200,000 houses build in 2017, one falls down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSharp01 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: There were probably close to 200,000 houses build in 2017, one falls down. Yes but it must be a continuum, and in multiple dimensions, so one very bad, the next slightly less so - all the way to perfect and, you of all people, must know that in such a large sample it should exhibit a normal distribution at which point is is all about the Kurtosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, MikeSharp01 said: Yes but it must be a continuum, and in multiple dimensions, so one very bad, the next slightly less so - all the way to perfect and, you of all people, must know that in such a large sample it should exhibit a normal distribution at which point is is all about the Kurtosis. More likely a stochastic distribution, which is no distribution at all. AKA 'Sods Law'. But just think, the new place will be rebuilt to the newer standards. And they get to stay in a hotel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSharp01 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 21 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: will be rebuilt to the newer standards And hopefully not rebuilt by the previous bovine managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) Makes you wonder how much liability building control carry for this compared to the insurance company. Many homeowners don't want to shell out £1200 for a ground investigation report (especially for an extension), so it's all done on best guesses. Edit - Oxford has 'High' volume change potential clay. So it's not an unknown risk. Edited June 27, 2022 by George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, George said: ... Many homeowners don't want to shell out £1200 for a ground investigation report (especially for an extension), so it's all done on best guesses. ... Reading that article made me feel sick. We are also on glacial till. There's a bit of a sand layer in it and one small rock incursion. Many locals (who wanted to work for us during our build) expressed something on the range of surprise to open criticism that we should get an independent survey of our ground conditions. And when they told the cost, several times the response was: "Aaah'd a dunit fer £200 - tha's bin fleeced, lad, fleeced" "And do you have PII " I asked . "Whassat?" "Listen mert, they 'ouwsiz next to your'n bin oop fer centuriz" was the sole argument they could muster After 6 years of hearing the same refrain, I am now certain that some full-time builders think of self-builders as moneyed idiots. More money than sense. Who sang '... will you walk away from a fool and his money ...' ? (1970s?) The piling company required sight of our ground report before quoting for the work, and then did their own survey in addition. Sensibly, they asked me to do the digging for their own survey. The cost of all the soil investigations together was £2435 : money very well spent. I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 55 minutes ago, George said: Edit - Oxford has 'High' volume change potential clay. So it's not an unknown risk. What does Cambridgeshire have, except better universities and a capital city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 51 minutes ago, ToughButterCup said: Who sang Bad Finger. Surprised you, if all people, forgot them. If you want it, here it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, SteamyTea said: What does Cambridgeshire have, except better universities and a capital city Sand and gravel over there. BGS Engineering geology https://mapapps2.bgs.ac.uk/geoindex/home.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 My bit of Cambs is clay. We got away with deepish trench foundations. House along the road opted for piles that had to be very deep. 16C Cottage between us probably has almost no foundations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Yes I am on yellow clay, building Inspector said 1m deep and 700mm wide (for our 400mm wide walls), no ground survey 🤷♂️. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Temp said: .... 16C Cottage between us probably has almost no foundations. To me, that is a powerful argument . But. If the process of building a house is in part about risk reduction, the question becomes: Who is taking the risk ? And : Who benefits from over-stating or understating the risk ? Our SE (Tanners) put it simply - How many cases of ground-heave are there, and of those how many do you hear about? The answer (to the second part ) was (and still is) is almost never. His response was - his (non-professional )friends in Ireland would have given the same answer as I did. But that his company had been consulted a few times recently (Irish building boom times back then) to sort out ground heave issues. Over-stating it? Tanners have too solid a reputation to misrepresent stuff. And beyond a certain level of Due Diligence, you just have to trust. Why buy and dog and bark yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceverge Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Temp said: 16C Cottage between us probably has almost no foundations. Old "pile of stones" buildings are very forgiving. Lots of lovely flexible lime and timber and thatch. Making our houses out of rigid concrete isn't without its disadvantages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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