Vijay Posted April 4, 2022 Posted April 4, 2022 Hi all, Are wall hung toilets and frames a standard fit? I'm looking at this frame https://www.grohe.co.uk/en_gb/rapid-sl-3-in-1-set-for-wc-0-82-m-installation-height-38773000.html# and either of these toilets https://bernstein-badshop.com/toilets/wall-mounted-wc/a-3570-00000000000000000000000000006949 or https://bernstein-badshop.com/toilets/wall-mounted-wc/a-13973 and I can't work out if they work together? Vijay
ToughButterCup Posted April 4, 2022 Posted April 4, 2022 Yes, the ones to which you refer both have 180 centres ... You can vary the height too: the lower the better according to those who know about straining angles. 😳
Vijay Posted April 4, 2022 Author Posted April 4, 2022 cheers bud. I assumed I had to line things up like the water inlet and outlet pipes??
Nickfromwales Posted April 4, 2022 Posted April 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Vijay said: cheers bud. I assumed I had to line things up like the water inlet and outlet pipes?? Nope. They're fixed on the frames, all you get to dictate is where the top of the pan ends up. Currently fitting 5 Geberit frames all at 520-530mm off FFL aka "comfort height". I only fit Geberit as I've never had a single complaint with them. Fit and forget.
saveasteading Posted April 4, 2022 Posted April 4, 2022 The instructions for our Geberit were in 'no words' international code, so it was quite hard work to follow. It was actually easy enough once understood, because, as Nick says, there weren't as many variables as expected. 1 hour ago, Nickfromwales said: Currently fitting 5 Geberit frames I expect numbers 2 to 5 become very straight forward. The frame has not budged. Unfortunately the same was not the case for the pan, where a very long key tightens a very flimsy looking plastic lock nut onto the hanging bolts. We perhaps got scared of overtightening and cracking it, and it slowly loosened. Next time was ultra tight and has been fine since. It is one of those undignified plumbing jobs lying on your back, holding up a heavy object while doing intricate assembly. 1
Nickfromwales Posted April 5, 2022 Posted April 5, 2022 6 hours ago, saveasteading said: where a very long key tightens a very flimsy looking plastic lock nut onto the hanging bolts Yup, they are a joy, aren't they?!? FYI, I don't ever fit the acoustic gaskets, as they create a friction slip. Instead, I mask around the pan, a few mm before pinching it up for the last time, and pump the gap between the pan and the wall with clear CT1. Once fully tightened, and levelled, the excess CT1 gets removed with baby wipes until it is no longer visible. 48hrs to cure, then a cosmetic seal up with white microban based silicone and job done. 1
Temp Posted April 5, 2022 Posted April 5, 2022 Long time ago I made a spreadsheet to work out if there was a standard spacing for the bolts, waste and flush pipe. The result was that most are a common spacing BUT I did find two or three that were different and wouldn't fit. I'm not on my PC at the moment but will try and find it later.
Onoff Posted April 5, 2022 Posted April 5, 2022 5 hours ago, Temp said: Long time ago I made a spreadsheet to work out if there was a standard spacing for the bolts, waste and flush pipe. Bog standard? 1
Temp Posted April 5, 2022 Posted April 5, 2022 So from my spreadsheet the standard dimensions for wall mounted WC appear to be.. Bolts to FFL: Typically 320-330mm Bolts to waste: 100mm Bolts to flush: 35mm Seat width: 360mm Wall to front edge: 525mm but varies from 515 to 545mm You can adjust the bolt height to change the seat height but beware as some wall mounted pans extend down quite a ways. If you reduce the bolt height some WC might touch the floor! Example of standard dimensions: Ideal Standard Concept https://www.idealstandard.co.uk/products/catalog/toilets/bowls/e0473 Example of non-standard dimensions: Ideal Standard Concept Air: https://www.idealstandard.co.uk/products/catalog/toilets/bowls/e0796
Onoff Posted April 5, 2022 Posted April 5, 2022 22 hours ago, Nickfromwales said: Nope. They're fixed on the frames, all you get to dictate is where the top of the pan ends up. Currently fitting 5 Geberit frames all at 520-530mm off FFL aka "comfort height". I only fit Geberit as I've never had a single complaint with them. Fit and forget. 425mm from floor to top of seat aka bit your ar5e hits?
Vijay Posted April 5, 2022 Author Posted April 5, 2022 thanks guys, will get the toilet ordered up. Anyone had any issues with the Berstein ones?
Onoff Posted April 5, 2022 Posted April 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, Vijay said: thanks guys, will get the toilet ordered up. Anyone had any issues with the Berstein ones? I've one Bernstein NT2038 pan and seat and it's spot on.
Nickfromwales Posted April 6, 2022 Posted April 6, 2022 10 hours ago, Onoff said: 425mm from floor to top of seat aka bit your ar5e hits? Arse! Yes, 420-430mm to top of pan. My mistake, been a long week already . Seat above that, so around 460mm to top of closed seat lid.
Onoff Posted April 6, 2022 Posted April 6, 2022 I just wish I'd bough another couple of Bernstein pans when I got the first. Paid about £130 for it. Not anymore! :(
Vijay Posted April 7, 2022 Author Posted April 7, 2022 Thanks everyone. Hopefully Berstein will still ship to the UK as they are not listing us on their drop down shipping options............................
Vijay Posted April 8, 2022 Author Posted April 8, 2022 Bad news, Berstein will not ship to the UK anymore
Onoff Posted April 8, 2022 Posted April 8, 2022 48 minutes ago, Vijay said: Bad news, Berstein will not ship to the UK anymore No sh!t... 😂 Aren't there 3rd party outfits whereby you can get around this?
Vijay Posted April 11, 2022 Author Posted April 11, 2022 On 08/04/2022 at 17:06, Onoff said: No sh!t... 😂 Aren't there 3rd party outfits whereby you can get around this? third party outfits??
Nickfromwales Posted April 11, 2022 Posted April 11, 2022 Erm, just buy a different pan? There are plenty to choose from!!
Vijay Posted April 12, 2022 Author Posted April 12, 2022 On 11/04/2022 at 08:21, Nickfromwales said: Erm, just buy a different pan? There are plenty to choose from!! lol fair point
Onoff Posted April 12, 2022 Posted April 12, 2022 On 11/04/2022 at 08:19, Vijay said: third party outfits?? Like this: https://www.forward2me.com/blog/shop-on-ebay-germany/ @ToughButterCupmay know a workaround.
ToughButterCup Posted April 13, 2022 Posted April 13, 2022 On 12/04/2022 at 09:57, Onoff said: ... @ToughButterCupmay know a workaround. Yes, I do. Sort of. It involves an ex-work colleague from Berlin deciding that she wants to bring her family on holiday to the Lake District....
Beau Posted Tuesday at 09:27 Posted Tuesday at 09:27 On 04/04/2022 at 22:58, Nickfromwales said: Nope. They're fixed on the frames, all you get to dictate is where the top of the pan ends up. Currently fitting 5 Geberit frames all at 520-530mm off FFL aka "comfort height". I only fit Geberit as I've never had a single complaint with them. Fit and forget. Old thread but can you have a horizontal waste exit on these? Every diagram I can see shows a 90degree bend behind the pan going down or at right angles to the pan. Thanks
Nickfromwales Posted Tuesday at 10:59 Posted Tuesday at 10:59 1 hour ago, Beau said: Old thread but can you have a horizontal waste exit on these? Every diagram I can see shows a 90degree bend behind the pan going down or at right angles to the pan. Thanks Yup, as long as you have the depth for the pipework not a problem. You'll need to bin the pan connector that comes with it and get one of these : https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133894857870?gad_source=1&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338723872&toolid=20006&customid=Bz5Fkp0jAAAAfGvQfV9LRaaPpc8NAAAAAA The 3" to 110mm adaptor that is supplied with the frame goes on to the new part, and then that goes to a standard UK soil pipe fitting. 👍 1
Beau Posted Tuesday at 11:02 Posted Tuesday at 11:02 1 minute ago, Nickfromwales said: Yup, as long as you have the depth for the pipework not a problem. You'll need to bin the pan connector that comes with it and get one of these : https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133894857870?gad_source=1&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338723872&toolid=20006&customid=Bz5Fkp0jAAAAfGvQfV9LRaaPpc8NAAAAAA The 3" to 110mm adaptor that is supplied with the frame goes on to the new part, and then that goes to a standard UK soil pipe fitting. 👍 Fab Many thanks 1
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