SuperJohnG Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 I have a large canopy (3m) and these lovely profiled soffits which return at an angle and get rid of the box end soffit design. I have opted for Black ash fascia and I have black fibre cement cladding in places along with white renderboard elsewhere. Hence as a nice detail i wanted to get a lovely wooden soffit to contrast well with the black fascia and cladding and provide a nice view from inside the glazed gable. I have ben talking to Russwood forever about this, and siberian larch and themropine are on offer both at about 40/m2 ( I need 100m2). I had wanted red cedar but that's prohibitive at 100m2 just now! But both the larch and thermopine seems to be on 17-20 weeks whch is ridiculous. So ws looking tat what others used, to be cost effective and give a nice finish. Ideally it woudl be red cedar or a similar nice rich finish, but might not happen. Does anyone know any other good options that would do it justice? or good suppliers for quality materials. I did look at Vulcan today. who do aluminium wood grain finish cladding, looks lovely...but at 140m2 - thats mental! Few pictures below...one of @Alexphd1's arrnagement which is what i wanted. (sorry for stealing!). Also pictures of canopy so here will be windows where the wife and kids are sitting and you'll be able to see that canopy inside so wood clad will be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Cedar here, if you think it’s expensive to buy, wait until you oil it. I don’t know where the prices come from ?? would be cheaper to buy my own forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperJohnG Posted August 11, 2021 Author Share Posted August 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Russell griffiths said: Cedar here, if you think it’s expensive to buy, wait until you oil it. I don’t know where the prices come from ?? would be cheaper to buy my own forest. ah well good decision not to use it! is the oil I assume driving that price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 The cedar was eye wateringly expensive, and the oil also, add the two together and it’s getting up with the price of those aluminium panels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperJohnG Posted August 11, 2021 Author Share Posted August 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Russell griffiths said: The cedar was eye wateringly expensive, and the oil also, add the two together and it’s getting up with the price of those aluminium panels. ouch, I'll keep looking for other readily available and in budget options! Albeit at this stage, I've just ignored the budget and hoping for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyshouse Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 On my house I used cedar for fascias and barge boards, soffits just softwood par, ten years on untreated unpainted no problems http://tonyshouse.readinguk.org/external-woodwork-ten-years-on/ why pay more? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markocosic Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Plain (ungrooved) decking boards? Light grey (white is never white) painted rough cut softwood? It's purely decorative and hanging off the underside of OSB, so you can use pretty much anything, no? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperJohnG Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 2 hours ago, markocosic said: Plain (ungrooved) decking boards? Light grey (white is never white) painted rough cut softwood? It's purely decorative and hanging off the underside of OSB, so you can use pretty much anything, no? That's the bit I'm just not sure of. If it's purely decorative can I use any wood? Just stain to suit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyshouse Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Soffits don’t get any weather are well protected, can’t stay damp, don’t need treating do need cleaning occasionally, need not be expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markocosic Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Unless it's somewhere windy where you get wind blown rain (though I'd be more worried about the OSB there as that turns into Weetabix fast) Or somewhere sunny with a steep roof and you're worried about unfinished wood weathering differently according to how much UV it sees Or somewhere buggy and you're worried about what sets up home by behind any open jointed boards (boards with gaps between rather than tongued or overlapping somehow) Then I think you have free choice of anything that can stand humidity without falling apart. (so cardboard is out, or hardboard/MDF, but apart from that anything goes) IIRC my parents place has pine fascias and 6mm ply soffits, all painted with "cetol" when built 30 years ago, with the fascias (only) repainted once or twice. It's dry under there as tony says and doesn't see UV either so even the colour stays. What will the detail at the gable end look like? (the vertical edge of the roof) having that not drip onto the underside or OSB probably most important? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperJohnG Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 4 hours ago, markocosic said: What will the detail at the gable end look like? (the vertical edge of the roof) having that not drip onto the underside or OSB probably most important? Hmm not quite sure which bit you mean do you mean up the verge? Its finished with Kytun, then barge board down as per the fascia detail. Added a few images of the mdoel so you can see the roof profile thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 If you put something cheap and nasty under that open gable, you will regret it. Needs to be something a bit tasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markocosic Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 One could still 'cheat' though? As in it doesn't need to be thermopine or similarly stable it just needs to be look good? Indoor grade flooring as soffit? Glue and tack to OSB? Speedboat style random length oiled teak 30 Inc VAT at one of the sheds. Long bits for the big gable short bits for the regular soffits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperJohnG Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 8 hours ago, Russell griffiths said: If you put something cheap and nasty under that open gable, you will regret it. Needs to be something a bit tasty. damn you @Russell griffiths. trying to drag me down with you, but I'm 100% with you. Just not sure how the budget can take it. 5 hours ago, markocosic said: One could still 'cheat' though? As in it doesn't need to be thermopine or similarly stable it just needs to be look good? Indoor grade flooring as soffit? Glue and tack to OSB? Speedboat style random length oiled teak 30 Inc VAT at one of the sheds. Long bits for the big gable short bits for the regular soffits? this teak could certainly be an option. need to have a look somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragsterDriver Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 On 11/08/2021 at 13:10, SuperJohnG said: I have a large canopy (3m) and these lovely profiled soffits which return at an angle and get rid of the box end soffit design. I have opted for Black ash fascia and I have black fibre cement cladding in places along with white renderboard elsewhere. Hence as a nice detail i wanted to get a lovely wooden soffit to contrast well with the black fascia and cladding and provide a nice view from inside the glazed gable. I have ben talking to Russwood forever about this, and siberian larch and themropine are on offer both at about 40/m2 ( I need 100m2). I had wanted red cedar but that's prohibitive at 100m2 just now! But both the larch and thermopine seems to be on 17-20 weeks whch is ridiculous. So ws looking tat what others used, to be cost effective and give a nice finish. Ideally it woudl be red cedar or a similar nice rich finish, but might not happen. Does anyone know any other good options that would do it justice? or good suppliers for quality materials. I did look at Vulcan today. who do aluminium wood grain finish cladding, looks lovely...but at 140m2 - thats mental! Few pictures below...one of @Alexphd1's arrnagement which is what i wanted. (sorry for stealing!). Also pictures of canopy so here will be windows where the wife and kids are sitting and you'll be able to see that canopy inside so wood clad will be nice. millworks near Cambridge may be able to help? Nice guys- timber costs are just insane though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyshouse Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 (edited) T&G softwood could look nearly the same stain to a variety of shades before fixing it does look great but overspecified for wood that will never see any weather Edited August 12, 2021 by tonyshouse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperJohnG Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, tonyshouse said: it does look great but overspecified for wood that will never see any weather Prices today for me from Russwood: 100m2: Thermopine - £4542 Siberain larch - £6150 Both ex VAT....iNSANE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexphd1 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Scary! Ruswood was way over when I priced a few years back. I ended up getting my cedar from travis perkins of all places who sourced it from a supplier in Glasgow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundtuit Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 26 minutes ago, tonyshouse said: T&G softwood could look nearly the same stain to a variety of shades before fixing Sorry, I'm not a big fan of the natural wood look in this circumstance; just reminds me of a gopping pine t&g ceiling I had to sort out 20 yrs ago. I'd probably use softwood and paint it a complementary or contrasting colour; it could look stunning at a fraction of the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markocosic Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 It's been a tricky year to be building in wood! Especially if you'd planned timber frame with timber exterior wall cladding and timber roof covering and timber ceiling covering and timber floor covering and a timber deck ? We gave up and are leaving our deck / south wall / similar but less grand open gable unfinished until 2022. The sawmills (in Lithuania anyway) think they will have "satisfied all the silly priced futures contracts" by then. Prices won't go back to 2020 levels though. Maybe only +50% rather than +200%. Here's that miscellaneous teak from the shed FWIW - you should get a trade discount on top of that for tradepoint or visiting on OAP day with a borrowed granny etc. Go crazy bold and thin coat solid colour render onto the OSB? In all seriousness if you can wait I would wait. September futures in the US (which is where all the Euro wood went earlier this year) are down again https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-11/lumber-falls-to-nine-month-low-extending-retreat-after-boom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexphd1 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) +1 for natural wood, I got a sample of the aluminium vulcan board tbh I was a wee bit disappointed. Edited August 13, 2021 by Alexphd1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SuperJohnG Posted August 15, 2021 Author Share Posted August 15, 2021 On 13/08/2021 at 10:59, Alexphd1 said: +1 for natural wood, I got a sample of the aluminium vulcan board tbh I was a wee bit disappointed. This looks great. Exactly what I'd hope for. Maybe I should try local and see where I get to would be very interested to find that Glasgow supplier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperJohnG Posted August 16, 2021 Author Share Posted August 16, 2021 hold onto your hats....western red cedar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell griffiths Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 (edited) Was £5.50 LM when I brought mine. I have another project that I need ?? Will need to keep my 12 year old truck another year or two. Edited August 17, 2021 by Russell griffiths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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