Neighbour objection on neighbourhood consultation scheme leading to refusal

[joe90]

I agree with all the above, ignore him and get full PP. Our neighbour objected to everything and delayed our build but the appeal officer said none of the objections were valid and we got what we wanted originally.

1 hour ago, Paris22 said:

if a neighbour objects then they have to refuse the application on that basis and that’s the law.

that is not the case (I am very sure)as our neighbour objected but the reason was not valid in law!!!!

[Ferdinand]

9 minutes ago, Paris22 said:

Thank you that is very helpful advice. 

 

Just added a bit more to my first post.

 

This should be a simple application unless you have missed telling us something - close to side boundaries etc.

 

May be worth getting a Planning Consultant to frame your Full PP application, just to make sure you dot i's and cross t's. You could supply all the material and get them to top and tail it. Would cost £100-250 extra for say half a day or a bit more (guestimating).

Edited September 8, 2020 by Ferdinand

[ProDave]

I am still confused.

 

Have you or have you not submitted a full planning application and has it been refused?

[Ferdinand]

4 minutes ago, ProDave said:

I am still confused.

 

Have you or have you not submitted a full planning application and has it been refused?

 

I think they have submitted under the extended PD rules, which requires the Council to do a simpler "auto-approve if no objections" process, then an 'amenity evaluation' if anyone objects.

 

This Council seems to have not done a thorough (or perhaps any) amenity evaluation.

 

(Assuming law in England; not sure NISW are on this extended PD).

Edited September 8, 2020 by Ferdinand

[joe90]

If he has a 150ft garden and you 100ft then his objection is not valid (re overlooking). I would not speak to the prat again as he is obviously too ignorant and inbred to be considerate.

[ProDave]

2 minutes ago, Ferdinand said:

 

I think they have submitted under the extended PD rules, which requires the Council to do a simpler approval process. 

So the next step is a full PP application, which I am near certain will not be stopped by a neighbour 200 feet away.

[Ferdinand]

Just now, ProDave said:

So the next step is a full PP application, which I am near certain will not be stopped by a neighbour 200 feet away.

 

Yep.

 

Neighbour should be irrelevant in this afaics.

[joe90]

@Paris22 how about you post your plans up here, there is a wealth of knowledge about planning etc that may help and save the cost of a consultant (I paid a consultant for my planning fight and she was a waste of money).

[Ferdinand]

You could put one of those viewing telescopes like Plymouth Hoe or Parliament Hill on the top so you can see them so far away. ?

 

(Won't get PP for that).

Edited September 8, 2020 by Ferdinand

[Paris22]

46 minutes ago, Ferdinand said:

 

Just added a bit more to my first post.

 

This should be a simple application unless you have missed telling us something - close to side boundaries etc.

 

May be worth getting a Planning Consultant to frame your Full PP application, just to make sure you dot i's and cross t's. You could supply all the material and get them to top and tail it. Would cost £100-250 extra for say half a day or a bit more (guestimating).

Thank you that’s very helpful I think it would make sense to do that. 

[Paris22]

46 minutes ago, ProDave said:

I am still confused.

 

Have you or have you not submitted a full planning application and has it been refused?

No not full. Just neighbour consultation scheme or larger extension scheme as I think it can sometimes be called. 

[Ferdinand]

1 minute ago, Paris22 said:

Thank you that’s very helpful I think it would make sense to do that. 

 

Trying here first is a good idea too - plenty of us have reasonable experiecnce, and there are also a few specialists.

[Paris22]

Just now, Ferdinand said:

 

Trying here first is a good idea too - plenty of us have reasonable experiecnce, and there are also a few specialists.

Thanks I will certainly do this, we have never done this before. I thought of councils rely on objections nothing would ever get built! ??‍♀️

[Ferdinand]

Personally if it was me I might include a really really long thin plan down the side of an entire page to highlight how far away the troublemakers are, just to give the planners a giggle.

 

[Ferdinand]

1 minute ago, Paris22 said:

Thanks I will certainly do this, we have never done this before. I thought of councils rely on objections nothing would ever get built! ??‍♀️

 

Objections certainly have their place in giving neighbours and community an input; but they need to get only the appropriate importance in the process - which Councils sometimes get wrong.

[Paris22]

36 minutes ago, Ferdinand said:

You could put one of those viewing telescopes like Plymouth Hoe or Parliament Hill on the top so you can see them so far away. ?

 

(Won't get PP for that

2 minutes ago, Ferdinand said:

Personally if it was me I might include a really really long thin plan down the side of an entire page to highlight how far away the troublemakers are, just to give the planners a giggle.

 

? I’m sure they get this every day 

[Paris22]

Just now, Ferdinand said:

 

Objections certainly have their place in giving neighbours and community an input; but they need to get only the appropriate importance in the process - which Councils sometimes get wrong.

I will fight it to the death. I really don’t want to move and I’ve never ever seen them before so won’t have to deal with them 

[joe90]

5 minutes ago, Paris22 said:

I will fight it to the death

That’s the spirit, yes quite a few of us have tangled with the planners (and won ?)

[Ferdinand]

5 minutes ago, Paris22 said:

I will fight it to the death. I really don’t want to move and I’ve never ever seen them before so won’t have to deal with them 

 

Agreed. I hope winning this will be easier than you think.

[Paris22]

5 minutes ago, Ferdinand said:

 

Agreed. I hope winning this will be easier than you think.

Yes hopefully I don’t have to die to get it ?

[AliG]

I agree with almost everything said.

 

The planning officer seems to be being lazy and saying that if a neighbour objects under this scheme that is the end of it and not actually analysing it.

 

If you apply for full planning permission that shouldn't happen. The vast majority of planning applications get some kind of objection that is not relevant and completely ignored by planning.

 

Your neighbour thinks he is smart, but there is nothing can do to stop a full planning application.

 

I personally don't think you would need a planning consultant as it should be straightforward, although you will need location plans etc drawn up.

 

What direction is his house from your's? If you are south or west of him I would be planting a nice row of Leylandi along the fence to block out some of his light and so you don't have to look at him.

 

There are high hedge rules, but a hedge can get very tall if his garden is 150ft long before it breaches the rules.

Edited September 8, 2020 by AliG

[Paris22]

One other thing, if I were to sell my property would I have to disclose this to my buyers on the sellers property information form?  Can it be classed as a neighbour dispute? 

[Paris22]

1 hour ago, AliG said:

I agree with almost everything said.

 

The planning officer seems to be being lazy and saying that if a neighbour objects under this scheme that is the end of it and not actually analysing it.

 

If you apply for full planning permission that shouldn't happen. The vast majority of planning applications get some kind of objection that is not relevant and completely ignored by planning.

 

Your neighbour thinks he is smart, but there is nothing can do to stop a full planning application.

 

I personally don't think you would need a planning consultant as it should be straightforward, although you will need location plans etc drawn up.

 

What direction is his house from your's? If you are south or west of him I would be planting a nice row of Leylandi along the fence to block out some of his light and so you don't have to look at him.

 

There are high hedge rules, but a hedge can get very tall if his garden is 150ft long before it breaches the rules.

Thank you 

[Ferdinand]

1 hour ago, Paris22 said:

One other thing, if I were to sell my property would I have to disclose this to my buyers on the sellers property information form?  Can it be classed as a neighbour dispute? 

 

I don't see why the normal operation of planning processes under the law should be termed a dispute.

[Temp]

Two things..

 

1) You could work out the biggest most horrible looking extension allowed under permitted development. That might scare the planners into supporting something closer to what you actually want.

 

2) Remember that if you apply for planning permission you dont have to apply for the same thing you applied for under the neighbourhood consultation scheme. You could apply for something bigger or with a pitched roof or whatever you actually want.