Pocster Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, Ferdinand said: So why the flapping fandango don't you install it now? Or make an inclined plane out of that *GKD)~%! walk-on glazing? Also I did have a temporary set of wooden steps outside . They eventually rotted away .Fine for me going up and down but with large quantities of materials and ultimately large home appliances I need a new method . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 Right ! Dithering on this ! Had some quotes - but I think I need to simplify . So ! green is the concrete wall - 3 uprights can be bolted to that orange Scaff yellow showing verticals bolted to wall This means I can lay Scaf boards across the top part as a platform so loading is easier . Winch load up a few inches - remove Scaf boards then lower down . So - wooden pallet as lift floor ( would prefer something made of metal to be honest ) . Sling straps from that to a ‘spreader’ then straps to winch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 Perhaps this for the lift floor ? https://www.themetalstore.co.uk/products/galvanised-steel-walkway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFDIY Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Is the jib going to swing? If not, take two opposite poles higher and have a scaffold pole across the two to share the load, I'd choose the ones bolted to wall. In fact you could take three vertical poles higher then use a ratchet strap as a 'handrail/'edge protection for when you're loading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) I still like my original idea, vertical pole in the corner so can’t go anywhere (side to side), bottom of pole pushing into the corner so no need to fix, horizontal pole fixed to vertical pole but overhanging pallet by 200mm with a bolt fixed to end of pole and hole in pallet to stop it swinging when level with the ground. Horizontal pole bolted down into wall or straps behind wall to stop vertical pole pulling away from wall. pallet slides up and down timber fixed to wall, counter balance weight at end of horizontal pole, it can be loaded and unloaded without swinging. Fixed to winch with straps/cable and spreader bars above height of tallest load you wish to carry. main advantage of my design is less critical fixings, only the bolt into the wall or straps behind wall are taking any load. Edited July 31, 2020 by joe90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 46 minutes ago, JFDIY said: Is the jib going to swing? If not, take two opposite poles higher and have a scaffold pole across the two to share the load, I'd choose the ones bolted to wall. In fact you could take three vertical poles higher then use a ratchet strap as a 'handrail/'edge protection for when you're loading No swing . My poor drawing should show the winch hook central . So yes I could just bolt a Scaf pole horizontal between 2 corner poles . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Thais is beginning to sound like Oak Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 hour ago, joe90 said: I still like my original idea, vertical pole in the corner so can’t go anywhere (side to side), bottom of pole pushing into the corner so no need to fix, horizontal pole fixed to vertical pole but overhanging pallet by 200mm with a bolt fixed to end of pole and hole in pallet to stop it swinging when level with the ground. Horizontal pole bolted down into wall or straps behind wall to stop vertical pole pulling away from wall. pallet slides up and down timber fixed to wall, counter balance weight at end of horizontal pole, it can be loaded and unloaded without swinging. Fixed to winch with straps/cable and spreader bars above height of tallest load you wish to carry. main advantage of my design is less critical fixings, only the bolt into the wall or straps behind wall are taking any load. You should of learn't by now that you have written too many words!. A scribble drawing would be appreciated assuming this is a different design to your other drawing? I'm getting scaffolding overload! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 So this for lift straps https://www.theratchetshop.com/lifting-slings/webbing-slings/webbing-slings-below-3000kg/1000kg-webbing-sling.html?utm_source=google_shopping&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIn4SMneX36gIVQe7tCh2S5QgDEAQYAyABEgL9JvD_BwE TBH most scaf companies aren't especially helpful. I send them drawings and dimensions and they seem to come back asking me to supply a parts list - which of course is what I want them to do.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 Question! If I clamp the vertical scaff to the wall does that not mean I can't clamp to it? i.e. the clamp fitting won't be able to go around the steel tube as it's tight to the wall.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFDIY Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 14 minutes ago, pocster said: Question! If I clamp the vertical scaff to the wall does that not mean I can't clamp to it? i.e. the clamp fitting won't be able to go around the steel tube as it's tight to the wall.... Correct, but lap type clamps will be do-able if you build them as you go. But there not as strong, usually used for handrails, and under the planks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, JFDIY said: Correct, but lap type clamps will be do-able if you build them as you go. But there not as strong, usually used for handrails, and under the planks Thanks . I’ve googled lap clamps - but not sure what I should be looking for .... Like I said Scaff firms expect me to tell them what I want ? Edited July 31, 2020 by pocster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 what is height it has to lift +load 2m -3m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, scottishjohn said: what is height it has to lift +load 2m -3m The pit height (below ground to top) is approx 2.7m. So add another 2m on that for the winch/gantry. Max load 150kg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, pocster said: The pit height (below ground to top) is approx 2.7m. So add another 2m on that for the winch/gantry. Max load 150kg https://sinofirst.en.made-in-china.com/product/BXfQpRdHXcYy/China-Fixed-on-Ground-Hydraulic-Electric-Scissor-Lift-Table.html quite sure if you hunt you will find ligther duty one and smaller table Edited July 31, 2020 by scottishjohn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, scottishjohn said: https://sinofirst.en.made-in-china.com/product/BXfQpRdHXcYy/China-Fixed-on-Ground-Hydraulic-Electric-Scissor-Lift-Table.html Yeah. But it's made in China. That means it will either be surprisingly good or complete shite " Explosion-proof valves" that's good to know though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 Right!. I need to get this going! The spreader is just 4 scaf poles all linked together with clamps to form a square What is to stop the straps connected from the floor 'slipping' over the spreader i.e. what keeps them in place? Use a wooden pallet for lift floor *for now* So! ( hate scaf websites; all in feet and inches!) 2 x 19ft vertical poles ( these are effectively the supports for the gantry) i.e. corner to opposing corner 2 x 9ft vertical ; these are the other corners 13 x 5ft ; so 4 for bottom brace, 4 for 'floor' level brace , 4 for 'spreader' , 1 to go between the 19ft poles i.e. the gantry Pole to pole standard fixings x 8 - is this a drop forged double coupler? HELP HERE 'clamp' fixings as against wall x 6 - is this a drop forged putlog coupler? HELP HERE swivel coupler x1 for corner to corner gantry fitting? HELP HERE I'm going to try https://www.generationscaffolding.com/en-gb/ as they have a local branch to me so assume delivery will be cheaper ... Need some help on what fixings/couplers I need; to bolt this all together. Input required before I push the "Launch nuclear warhead" button i.e. purchase! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Sorry @pocster forgot my PAD (pen assisted drawing) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, joe90 said: Sorry @pocster forgot my PAD (pen assisted drawing) I did think that type of arrangement is what you meant. But I'm more comfortable ( i.e. less chance of my death ) with 4 corner posts I can then stick scaf boards across as a 'loading' platform. Also I'm unhappy ( not as in sad, I've drunk some wine now ) with the counter leaver weight. A corner to opposing corner vertical with a horizontal gantry across means the weight of the lift load is central so doesn't need a counter balance ( if I'm wrong I'll die proving you were right )! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) My old Dad always said “there is no such thing as right or wrong, only opinion!” Go with what your comfortable with ( I will visit you in hospital with grapes) ? Edited July 31, 2020 by joe90 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, pocster said: I did think that type of arrangement is what you meant. But I'm more comfortable ( i.e. less chance of my death ) with 4 corner posts I can then stick scaf boards across as a 'loading' platform. Also I'm unhappy ( not as in sad, I've drunk some wine now ) with the counter leaver weight. A corner to opposing corner vertical with a horizontal gantry across means the weight of the lift load is central so doesn't need a counter balance ( if I'm wrong I'll die proving you were right )! So @joe90 using PAAI (pocsters Advance Artificial Intelligence ). this arrangement feels better .. ( doesn't mean it is better; just feels better ! ) Edited July 31, 2020 by pocster (expletive deleted)ing speel check Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 minute ago, joe90 said: My old Dad always said “there is no such thing as right or wrong, only opinion!” Go with what your comfortable with ( I will visit you in hospital with grapes) ? No Grapes please. Steak/wine/cash any of; preferred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, pocster said: No Grapes please. Steak/wine/cash any of; preferred Or nubile females to ease my pains.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, pocster said: So @joe90 using PAAI (pocsters Advance Artificial Intelligence ). this arrangement feels better .. ( doesn't mean it is better; just feels better ! ) Though..... Should I brace these? i.e. ... ( more wine please ; reality is slipping back in !) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiver Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) On 27/07/2020 at 11:50, pocster said: Because other works have to be done before a staircase can go in . Anyway I still want a lift for the tons of materials not up / down a staircase. Now then, how wide/deep is this hole you want to hoist stuff up and down? Is it big enough to accommodate a spiral staircase (or a straight sort that bends round the corners whatever those are called) with a central hole large enough to get your fridge down? If so the solution is pretty straightforward I think. Edited July 31, 2020 by Reiver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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