ProDave Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 We have two "back to wall" toilets, both came with D shaped seats to match. Now just about every toilet seat I have ever seen, has a lid the same size as or very slightly smaller than the seat. And the seat is normally just a little bit larger than the pan. Not so with our 2 toilets. The lid wraps around the edge of the seat all round, and the lid is made to be exactly the same size and shape as the pan. This means with the lid up, the seat is slightly smaller than the pan and you can see a strip of porcelain. The management have decreed this is unacceptable. A couple of days ago SWMBO came home with a replacement D shaped seat. And upon unpacking it, I find it is EXACTLY the same size with the wrap around lid, so if I fitted it, it would have the same "problem" So the question to those that have fitted many more toilet seats than me, is this wrap around lid a feature of D shaped seats or will I, if I look hard enough, find one that meets the requirements of seat slightly larger than pan, and lid same size as seat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 As far as I can tell there is no standard size for loo seats. Even the width between hinge points seems to vary. We have a similar D shape back to the wall pan and when I replaced the seat last time I fitted a regular oval shape wood seat and lid. Doesn't look to bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) Found a "long" D seat which I guess might hide the pan at the front... https://www.amazon.co.uk/Projection-Elongated-One-Release-Seat/dp/B0074K32R2 Possible D without wrap.. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Landlord-Direct-Supplies-Release-Fittings/dp/B07212F1L2 Edited November 11, 2019 by Temp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 A couple of places with good ranges: https://www.replacementtoiletseats.co.uk/ & https://www.choicereplacementtoiletseatshop.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 https://www.amazon.co.uk/WOLTU-Duroplastic-Toilet-Release-Adjustable/dp/B07S82QZVC No wap but lid still slightly bigger than seat. Measure yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 This picture from one of the sires @Onoff suggested illustrates the "problem" The lid overlaps the seat, and you can see porcelain around the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 The one we have is 440mm deep by 360mm wide. So to get the seat to equal the size of the pan I guess we are looking for 450mm deep by 380mm wide. It is surprising how many I have looked at on line that don't even mention the size. Or to put it another way, I want the SEAT to be 440mm deep by 360mm wide, if the lid must wrap over then the overall size will be bigger. They seem to quote the overall size which in the case of a wrap over lid, is just plain silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) I’m supplying evidence not opinions on this thread. I have 2 of these loos, and 2 spares seats, which are from Screwfix, and are listed on my bathroom refurb blogs with the model. I can confirm that D-shape high rise supplementary loo seats do not seem to exist; they are lozenge shaped. So bear that in mind for your dotage. So let the reader decide. Edited November 11, 2019 by Ferdinand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 @Ferdinand What is the width and depth of the SEAT in those pictured? Screwfix were one that does not seem to quote the size on their website. Why would anyone want trivial information like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, ProDave said: @Ferdinand What is the width and depth of the SEAT in those pictured? Screwfix were one that does not seem to quote the size on their website. Why would anyone want trivial information like that? where are you looking @ProDave as they list the side to side width on all of them ..? It’s in Spec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 3 hours ago, ProDave said: @Ferdinand What is the width and depth of the SEAT in those pictured? Screwfix were one that does not seem to quote the size on their website. Why would anyone want trivial information like that? No details on the spare box, and not clear where you are measuring from .. So piccies below. The loo model, seat and codes are in the sheet below, so you could order one and then return in 14 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 That's the same size as what I have, and I have not found anything bigger yet. It's beginning to look like rather than the seat being too small, my loo is too big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 This one says "Toilet Seat Size: 46 cm x 36 cm, Holes Adjustment Range: 60 mm - 170 mm"... ...but also gives the same numbers for the "product size". i guess you could ask them which is right. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B01MD1O1CY/ref=psdcmw_1938753031_t1_B07S82QZVC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 This one claims 375mm wide.. https://www.bellabathrooms.co.uk/cassellie-d-shaped-quick-release-heavy-duty-seat.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 This one claims 370mm wide without wrap over lid.. https://www.simplybathrooms.co.uk/product/resolve-maxi-seat-d-shape-slim-soft-close-in-white/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 7 hours ago, ProDave said: That's the same size as what I have, and I have not found anything bigger yet. It's beginning to look like rather than the seat being too small, my loo is too big. The loo and price is also on my list... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Never thought about the issue...until now! Don't think I could have even said whether the lid covered the seat etc without having looked. It does and the seat is smaller than the pan: I'm going to be conscious of my visible rim from now on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) My solution would probably be to assert that it is indecent to be able to see the seat, that covering the porcelain is pandering to not claening properly, and that the lid should be kept down in all civilised environments, and that therefore the alleged problem is completely absent, and that I am going fishing instead. Ockham lives. (If Mr Dave turns up on my doorstep splintered rod in hand demanding Diplomatic Asylum in my shed, I will know that it did not work.) Edited November 12, 2019 by Ferdinand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Surely if the seat is the width of the pan then if you go for the same style of "lid covers seat", the lid will be wider than the pan and overhang? Options available where the lid is the same width as the pan. I think where lid covers seat is more hygienic. Is this an indicator that you're at the end of the build, that SWMBO can now worry about trivial stuff like this? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted November 12, 2019 Author Share Posted November 12, 2019 8 hours ago, Temp said: This one claims 370mm wide without wrap over lid.. https://www.simplybathrooms.co.uk/product/resolve-maxi-seat-d-shape-slim-soft-close-in-white/ That's a contender, the first D shaped one I have seen that does not have the silly wrap over lid. The price is an issue, we paid less than that for the pan (with a seat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted November 12, 2019 Author Share Posted November 12, 2019 54 minutes ago, Onoff said: Surely if the seat is the width of the pan then if you go for the same style of "lid covers seat", the lid will be wider than the pan and overhang? Options available where the lid is the same width as the pan. I think where lid covers seat is more hygienic. Is this an indicator that you're at the end of the build, that SWMBO can now worry about trivial stuff like this? ? This "issue" appears to be the wrap over lid. Someone decided it would "look nice" and would "look nicer" if the wrap over lid was exactly the same size as the pan. This forces the seat area to be smaller than the pan. A case of appearance being more important than function. I am not bothered by this wrap over lid nonsense. The one @Temp linked to above is the first D shaped one I have yet seen that does not have the wrap around lid. So now the search is on for another one like that at a sensible price. Oh the choices we have to make to get a self build "just right" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted November 12, 2019 Author Share Posted November 12, 2019 The magic search word to avoid a wrap over lid appears to be "slim" With that new found knowledge a quick search on ebay finds this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Modern-D-Shape-Slim-Toilet-Seat-with-Mute-Soft-Close-Seat-Cover-Quick-Release/323964824352?epid=27035068818&hash=item4b6dceeb20:g:zeUAAOSwYSFduoZ8 I will order one and see. The seat is 36cm wide, I would like 37cm, but it is an improvement over the present one that is only 34.5 cm seat width. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted November 12, 2019 Author Share Posted November 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Onoff said: Never thought about the issue...until now! Don't think I could have even said whether the lid covered the seat etc without having looked. It does and the seat is smaller than the pan: I'm going to be conscious of my visible rim from now on! Note to other buildhubbers. do NOT let your OH see this thread or you too will be looking for a new seat. Funny how it was not noticed immediately, this pan and lid has been in use for 18 months. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, ProDave said: Note to other buildhubbers. do NOT let your OH see this thread or you too will be looking for a new seat. Funny how it was not noticed immediately, this pan and lid has been in use for 18 months. Sounds like she needs a hobby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone West Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 33 minutes ago, ProDave said: This "issue" appears to be the wrap over lid. Someone decided it would "look nice" and would "look nicer" if the wrap over lid was exactly the same size as the pan. This forces the seat area to be smaller than the pan. A case of appearance being more important than function. We have the same situation with our toilets. I noticed it when I fitted the seats, but didn't see it as a problem because unless in use the lid is always down. I don't understand how the overall function of the toilet is impaired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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