
SimonD
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That's a difficult one. Our WF has a reaction to fire classification of E but then becomes B-s1 Do when rendered. I guess the E risk factor is because WF contains paraffin. We're okay because it's rendered. It was at one point suggested that we batten and clad but obviously chose a different path. Haven't heard of cavity barriers for WF. As @Redbeard suggests, maybe a coating of thin coat render - you'd only need 6-8mm with mesh done in 2 coats and no need for the silicon top coat. Baumit or similar would be simple enough to get. But with ours the buildup details show clad with ventilation gap but no mention of cavity closers https://www.schneider-holz.com/en/products/insulation/multitherm-wood-fibre-insulation-board/multitherm-140/ Have you contacted the manufacturer's technical department?
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Yes, heat will rise. There are a good few people on here who have chosen to only have UFH on the lower floor and none upstairs - so if your house is well insulation enough, this could very well be a better solution. It all depends on the heat loss of the house and what you want to design for - so unless you want to geek out on all this yourself, you need to have a good long chat with your designer.
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Are there any modern basin wastes and traps that are reliable?
SimonD replied to SimonD's topic in Waste & Sewerage
Yeah, I might just have to do that. My other thought was if I could get something that works like the kitchen sink as we have no problems there. Good old ChatGPT - I ought to try that more often. I'll have a look at those! Ta! -
I've got two different basins. One is Ideal Standard and the other is Ikea. The Ideal has a lever pop-up mechanism for the plug and the Ikea one is a pop-up. Both suffer from repeated and regular clogging up so I'm forever having to take them apart to manually clean out. I've basically had to remove the whole plug mechanism from the Ideal one in the ensuite so my wife isn't happy. I've never ever had this problem before so must be down to designs? Are Macalpines good and reliable - or is there another brand I could use instead? Ta!
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I think the first question has to be: what do you consider to be huge? And how are these impacting the space? In my experience so far, which is now a few designs using radiators, is that it is far easier to design for 40C (45C if retrofit) on radiators than 35 and more so the higher the target room temperatures. It's basically down to the old law of diminishing returns. Remember that this is also done at the design outdoor temperature so for the majority of the year your flow temp is going to be lower. At the end of the day, if you can manage 40C on the rads, it'll still be a good efficient system, providing the rest of the system has been designed, installed and set up properly. Here's a good video illustrating savings with varing COPs If your house is going to be highly insulated, I would forget about trying to design for different temperatures as the house will even out overall. I still don't understand the logic behind the MCS/CIBSE temps at all as they don't hang together very well between design temperatures and operational temperatures in the real world. In my house, I've had to design for 23 in the space my wife wants the warmth as she really feels the cold. My wife wants the bedroom warm and toastie in the winter and 18-20 doesn't cut it. I wouldn't be allowed to compromise on comfort for the sake of a few quid during the winter. I'm currently upsizing all my bedroom radiators because when I designed the system for 18C we never really anticipated the usage of these rooms would change to being more like study spaces and even though the heating works as designed, it doesn't work for sitting still for long periods for my wife and the boys. In my house, which is a deep retrofit rather than new build, I've designed to 40C but managed to oversize the rads by an average of 25% which will theoretically give me something like 36-37 at design outdoor temperature. But also keep in mind that some air source heat pump controllers might not provide the granularity in the weather comp curve to set it to a specific flow temp at design outdoor temp and if the necessary curve sits too high, you'll have to use room influence - so it can be a careful balance. If you're likely to end up with solar gain in parts of the house, you also want to consider room influence controls. It does sound like you need to have a good conversation with the system designer (is this your plumber or are they using a design company?) to understand and agree the strategy here 18 is the design indoor temp and 17-19 is the operational design temp. All defined by CIBSE
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And keep everything to standard, off the shelf sizes
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That has got to be the best self-builder quote in a while! So if my budget is 1m and the estimated build cost is 1.2m, then definitely a tight budget..maybe too tight and certainly no room for cost shaving 😉 But on the op - that is a tight budget in today's building space and would require some very careful assessment in the high risk areas as already mentioned, but also in decisions all the way through the build with materials etc.
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Multipipe Maxima FM 16-port manifold (..and 13, 14, & 15)
SimonD replied to mikeysoft's topic in Underfloor Heating
I'd double check your figures and especially the assumptions in your project in Heatpunk. I'm just completing a trial of another design tool which came up with over 10kW on a property I'd calculated at under 7 in default mode. I'm not a million miles from you and have a retrofit rather than newbuild which has ewi on existing walls and therefore only 0.21 u-value and some other compromises. Our house is larger than yours and we have 4.6kW losses. You really need to check the minimum output and compare it to your house w/k to understand demand at more average temperatures. I think you're running the risk of lots of short cycling. Also, is -5 really the design outdoor temperature for Devon? -
That's a very good point. Most manufacturer's don't publish output inclusive of defrosting - Nibe do publish these figures and I think more are on the way due to pressure from installers and customers. Speaking with some other designers it's the fear of defrosting that often drives the addition of a buffer, but again manufacturers are getting to grips with this and will now give better guidance on minimum open volumes without buffer to deal with defrosting - even if it ain't rocket science to figure this out anyway. At least one start is we're seeing better specification of output figures at the relevant design temperatures rather than just at 2/35 or 7/35, for example. E.g. Grant Aerona 290 heat pumps stated output is the actual output at -5/55C so a bit more helpful.
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I do wonder whether it's to do with rules. It's also more important as their climates are a bit more extreme compared to ours? Who knows. Nibe publishes the data right in the installers manual so it's easy to find.
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Yes, I've looked at the data book. That's a cynical position, which may be true but they have lost sales to me as a consequence. The problem is that if I'm designing a system where I hold liability to a customer for the design and installation, I can't be relying on a foreign data sheet to assess the suitability of a system for their needs. It may be the case that they're playing a similar game to Tado (in removing Opentherm from controllers in the UK without telling anyone) and providing different specification equipment to the UK market or that they think the UK market isn't sophisticated enough to design systems with modulation in mind - who knows. Generally though, my experience has been that if the information is available, manufacturers have provided the information I ask for. It's anyone's guess why this information isn't readily available from Vaillant in the UK....
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Unfortunately, Vaillant don't really have the data for modulation on the Arotherm plus heatpumps - all you get is an approximate at certain outdoor temperatures. I asked the question just a few days ago when I was at Vaillant for training on the Arotherm plus heatpumps and they went internally to ask the technical design team. Therefore, you can't use any data to accurately design a system according to modulation on these heatpumps. The Vaillant quick guide charts are given at maximum compressor speed only.
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I've done a few timber collections where the merchant has loaded my order straight onto my roof rack with a fork lift truck. Once the load bent the roof rack carrying 6m lengths - not a great strategy I realised at the time! You need to check maximum weight yo can carry on your rack and van roof - it's often far less than you might think. However, more importantly, I only ever go and collect if I absolutely have to, preferring to pay for delivery when I can. A 100 mile trip each way to collect is easily a day lost in work, why not arrange delivery and then you can get on with whatever work you are doing instead?
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Wall plate removal as part of converting to solid floor?
SimonD replied to amin's topic in General Flooring
With the amount of work required there, I'd be very tempted to consider installing a new suspended timber floor and then full filling the void with eps beads instead. That means the existing timbers are insulated and in effect become part of a warm floor construction. There used to be good reference on the old green building forum by someone who did this a lot on retrofits to good effect. With this you'll also get a lot of insulation suitable for ufh too. If I did my house again, this is what I would do. -
My little Hanix H08b is in need of some serious tlc. I was doing some hard landscaping the other day and nearly rolled over the back of the digger because the tubes on the seat both broke and I now don't have a back to my seat. So I need to find a new one of those - generic would be fine. I also need a pin set, partitularly the kingpin. Anywhere you'd recommend, or is it just a case of a google and ebay maybe? Ta!
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Soil stack and underground drain advice please!
SimonD replied to SimonD's topic in Waste & Sewerage
Thanks, it's always a good reminder to speak to BCO before embarking on a plan. Given how long it's been, I think I recall sensibly installing eps ewi at about 300mm all along the bottom of the woodfibre for splash protection so would just need to make sure I've got something like 150mm wide strip of pea gravel between hard surface and the ewi. I can alway put pavers over and concrete to make it look nice. At least this bit of the house is rarely accessed so it doesn't matter a whole load if it looks a bit weird. -
Soil stack and underground drain advice please!
SimonD replied to SimonD's topic in Waste & Sewerage
Ah, yes. I could then connect the drain to go to the bathroom at the inspection chamber That's what I feared! Thanks all, that's given me a plan! -
Soil stack and underground drain advice please!
SimonD replied to SimonD's topic in Waste & Sewerage
That was my original thought, but maybe incorrectly, I had this nagging idea that soil stacks are supposed to be connected using a rest bend and wanted to confirm if it's okay to use a tee for the very reason you say. The old drain was literally full of shit and I had to rod it and use my pressure washer drain attachment on a regular basis until we started the project - I really don't want that risk again. -
I've been putting this last bit of drainage off for quite some time, but I can't ignore it any longer and need to find a solution (because I want to install our heatpump along this wall during August!). In the image below you'll see what is a temporary plastic drain pipe with connected soil pipe which serves 110mm drain from a bathroom upstairs. This was a clay installation but we found it to be cracked and damaged, so I just riped it out and put this temporary stuff in there. The clay gully lying on the ground was previously at the end of the run which goes approximately 3m along the wall behind the camera. Now I need to extend the drain for the first fix of the final bathroom to go in and heatpump. My problem is that as you can see, the drain is very shallow and previously the clay pipe was only about 20mm below ground level with the gully raised up a bit (I don't think I can get away with that now with BC?) and I don't want to increase the ground level too much due to the wood fibre ewi. The current plastic drain is at a steeper gradient than the remaining clay pipe it's connected to so I do have so wiggle room. I've considered whether I just run a 110mm waste from the bathroom along the wall to the soil stack but by the time I've got suitable fall, it's very unlikely to be over the min 450mm to invert. But this would be ugly and I also want to keep this wall free so I can get the heatpump as close to the wall as possible (whether this is the best place for the heatpump is another question as I can put it at the front of the house instead but that has complications too!) So main question is whether it's possible to get a soil stack to drain tee that allows me to extend the drain as needed where I would put in a direct connection to wc and a gully maybe just 1.5-2m beyond this soild stack, or is this a stupid design idea? And yes I know this should have all been considered at the design stage but I was totally wet behind the ears then and trusted our architect to consider these things only to find he put almost all rooms needing drainage in stupid places compared to the existing drains! We have no options to dig out any of the drainage is the drain travels under the retaining wall you can see in the photo and then 8m further into the hill to meet the mains sewer that serves the whole row of houses. Any ideas and suggestions please?
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Fine tuning my IWI Solid wall (Warm Batten) design
SimonD replied to Annker's topic in Heat Insulation
I've used mainly Auro clay paint as it's ultra breathable, but there is also Earthborn clay and I've recently found a new company that does clay pain called Coat (not tried them). Auro clay paint is sprayable so very helpful in that. The normal Auro paints are also breathable but nowhere near as much as the clay versions. -
Multipipe Maxima FM 16-port manifold (..and 13, 14, & 15)
SimonD replied to mikeysoft's topic in Underfloor Heating
I put that one in there thinking of you 😜 I know how it grates, but I have succumbed to the laziness of using the term because everyone in the industry does - I've sat through numerous lectures, and even hydronics course lately where it's bandied around like it means something, and if we were really serious about it, we'd be building houses with water and wood in preference of conrete and stone because they actually have better thermal mass, at least in one measure, IYKWIM 😊 -
Multipipe Maxima FM 16-port manifold (..and 13, 14, & 15)
SimonD replied to mikeysoft's topic in Underfloor Heating
UFH is perfectly valid in retrofits but it's only efficient and effective with minimised down losses, which means lots of insulation and flooring covering with good heat transfer. E.g. not long ago I had a call from a new customer who had just bought a very large property nearby. He and his wife wanted me to come and have a look at the underfloor heating that was on but not producing any heat. I went and had a look and quite correctly there was no heat, especially in the kitchen but the UFH was on. I asked to go and have a look in the basement and found the unility down there very nice a toasty. I touched the ceiling to find out it was lovely and warm. The UFH was working wonderfully as a radiant ceiling due to poor floor insulation. You've just got to be very careful with tog values of any carpets laid on top of ufh see here from one of my renewables catalogues: There are many strategies for room based control, the most common of which is to use on/off switching with room by room stats, through to designing the system with proper room by room heat loss, varying pipe spacing like @SteamyTea says and then varying the flow rates as @marshian suggested. @JohnMo is at the more extreme end using self regulation and thermal mass with low flow temps. What you'll find though is that regulating individual room temps successfully is quite difficult and in well insulated houses you might as well just treat the whole thing as one room and forget about it, just as @Nickfromwales says. I've been there and tried, tying myself in circles with it all and now find myself having arguments with desk based heat pump system designers who don't seem to understand the basics of thermodynamics and why you'd want one room at 22C next to another at 18C and making sure it theoretically stays that way with the doors always shut... Now different temperatures can be achieved across different floors, but that's another story. -
Multipipe Maxima FM 16-port manifold (..and 13, 14, & 15)
SimonD replied to mikeysoft's topic in Underfloor Heating
Get the optional diverter valve assembly installed, if it isn't already and then run priority hot water. You'll probably have to modify your heating & hot water pipework. Then, you need a proper modulating control. The problem is that last I dealt with this with WB, they couldn't provide a modulating control that also did multiple zones (this requires 240v relay control), so you'd be required to have one heating zone throughout the house. One of the reasons I don't touch WB boilers. You can have weather comp with this setup though, which would be a sensible choice. On the good side, it'll modulate down to about 3kW. -
Yes, like when they ask you to ensure hall width permits necessary turning circle into the doorway too so you have to adapt both the hallway and door! However, from a aesthetic perspective, I do prefer the 826mm doors and 926 between the large spaces.
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I would just caveat this one with that a self builder is someone who turns the dream into a reality through their own best means, and does it independently. However they do it is up to them, but in IMHO turnkey, full design & build stuff doesn't quite cut it for me, even if the self-builder sources the land and does some of the preliminaries. I wanted to go down the route of having a contractor to do all the work but was so appalled by my experiences through the quote phase and through some intial building experience that I decided to do it all myself. During this time I've just had some labour help with family and friends to assist with heavy stuff, like installing <200kg windows etc. My wife insisted at one point that while I was away with my son, that I get in a chippy and a plasterer in. She didn't supervise them (as she didn't know what to look for and just paid them) and it was a tragedy, so they got fired and I had to re-do a load of their work. Other than the disaster above, the only people I've had in are the steel framing crew with crane for the steel frame. I've had an electrician in to start doing 1st fix but let him and his mate go as this was a mess too. I met a retired electrical engineer who then tought me the electrical side so I can do this all now myself and have a friendly electrician to sign of and install the EV charger. Heat and plumbing all completed by me. My sense of this is that sometimes I totally regret going down this route and sometimes I don't know how I would have felt if I didn't go down this route and how much debt I'd be in if I'd paid someone else to do it. The other side to this is that I've ended up training and getting certified as a heating engineer and have my own business doing this. So far I've got about 5 years doing gas systems and now I've gained a lot of experience, I'm moving across to heat pumps, probably exclusively in the near future. I'm still not finished either.......but feel like I'm in good company with @Russell griffiths as I'm 6 years in and actually not that far off, although next month I've told the family to leave me alone so I can swap out my gas boiler for a heatpump, so who knows. Now my wife has the common worry that she'll never feel warm with a 35C flow temp and need it hotter 😁