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RAF? my grandad was an RAF flight lftnnt in 30's: he attempted the world endurance record UK to Aus, in a Puss Moth, (along with other famous pioneers of the time) & crashed in dolomites '32 & was lauded up by mussolini's Co in the papers (even himself?) having rescued them.. tho a farmer did actually of course. Brave this lot- must have been so damn cold, & noisy too.

Hey wow- purty damn cool JSH.. bucanneer? (a hopelessly vague/ tentative Q).

Ok Thanks alot JSH. I've done just that. Great another big hurdle leaped over today. [By the way- your pic: are you in a homemade jamesbond girocoptor with guns & stuff on?] Thanks- zoot

This form I was prompted to in fact, by my LABC (or a very helpful woman who seemed at 'reception' to both PP dept & BC dept). I think its the new "electronic" way maybe. As my NMA was sent via the same system y'day, I'm inclined to go with it.. besides it means I don't have to print/ post, & saves time. It is very well designed.. just getting to it was like a needle in the hay. Its just more jargon to wade through that's all. Anyway it asked for supporting docs, so I've just flung in your two 1086-11b, 12b (A3) again plus the 1086-13 'zoomed out/ overview' I hope again is the "location plan" (once more deemed a neccessity to include ,like the NMA). Crikey I can't wait to be done with all this forms/ red tape/ rules. I've taken two photos of the build-plan-EG my builder's given me: will need one last thread to see best way I can replicate something similar. Zoot's Build Plan maybe. much appreciated JSH. zoot

@JSHarris actually its the Portal Application page I'm on/ then specifically the building Notice application (choice between Full plans, or B.Notice) > this page/ series of Q's.. https://buildingcontrol.planningportal.co.uk/applications?start=new#anchor-overview

But if I click yes then a drop down menu appears: "What windows/doors are you replacing?" pls select: front elevation, side 1, side 2, rear elevation. Is it not implying asking if I'm replacing any existing ones?

And another Q- " Does the application include replacement windows/doors?".. are my new ones replacements?

One Q on the form has stumped me- "Do you agree for the plans to be subjected to conditions where appropriate? y/n" Any idea what this means?

No I think you're right & I don't need to attatch plan- Id prefer not too, as it'll be less 'pro' than they're used to seeing & will be leaving out all the existing house xyz/ builder said don't need it. Right then on to do the plan/ new thread, clear my head- I'll take a photo of the EG plan my builder's given me. Many thanks- zoot

Ok that's reassured me JSH. I know I asked this before.. but great to get an opinion that's coincides & confirms what I think PeterW said. Right, I'm all prepped ready to apply for this now: & been on phone (helpful woman got me to the right Portal place/ B. Control apply etc) who said there's actually no delay/ wait for a 'decision' too.. its just given. That's a relief. SO.. now/ finally I'm in a position to consider the Build Plan I need to do. Last Step!! terrific help- thx so much. zoot

Ah ok understood. Ok tallies with me then. So I know the right fee ammount (& know what I'm paying for exactly- site visits etc). Ok the actual application form I needed was on the Portal page (but called instead "Application for Building Control" so I'd no idea this was apply for Building Regs). So I can do as per y'day & forget trying to access word or pdf docs > to send. Nice & clear pages to follow. What it needs though of course, is to add an attatchment of the build plan. Here is where I might be stumped, bc I don't know whether the decision to 'grant me' "Building Control" is based upon the design in any way.

Thanks for clarifying all that JSH: just what I needed. Right I'm a bit more settled someone isn't gonna come along with a clipboard saying "ooh naa- can't do that". One reason I think I'm -still- worried this may happen, is the proximity of my top corner to the adjacent lane/ road (only 2m away at this closet point), and more specifically too, the situation of having scaffolding here (which I'd assume would be needed, around this corner point). IE if for some unforseen reason this Building Control Officer person (or the B.Regs chap) comes out & says either the corner is "too close to road, bc its inner skin is timber frame (fire risk)" and/ or "too close to road, bc scaffold will jutt out into road a wee bit > we cannot have this > you have to shift this corner IN"...... it would mean the whole build is not conceivable as a design. The whole thing is a no-go. Can I absolutely say for certain, that this corner point HAS been given the OK, & this Building Regs/ Control department -cannot- override PP's green-light on it?

Its definitely not working for me. I click on the flashing cursor, try entering text/ or a number/ anything & nothing happens, cursor just keeps flashing. Its in word 2007, I have it in my bar btm of page (V) ready to dip into. It does look a bit messy so seems like we have a similar page open.

Ok putting this aside for now. I'll need to call the national Portal number whatever it was, to guide me to wherever an accessible version of this form might lurk. Portal.. name's not lost on me/ its definitely a joke. I need to try & understand the bigger picture of 'Building Regs', before I put in for the applications. At the moment I do not understand the "power" they have. What I mean: I have made a design > its gone to a pro to draw > submitted for PP > granted. Ok from my pov, the design has unoquivocally been green lit/ I can do it. But becauise it is so damn complicated, I naturally have my doubts & do not know if there's now yet another "room" (call it another 'stage') of "checks" to determine, if I can build my design, or not. If so, does this Building Regs avenue have the determination? So to go back a step, I need to understand IF the build has ACTUALLY been granted permission- or, have I not yet been granted permission? IE do the 'Building Regulations" officer , or does the BCO (is this the same thing?) now have the final say? Am I entering a whole new arena of misery & checks over my fun damentals of my design, like my outlines/ where I want my walls, how high the roof is/ basic page 1 stuff like this.. or.. has this been determined absolutely by the PP dept, as being fine?

Yes I 've got in in Word 07.. but like before I can get the cursor flashing/ ready on a box.. but I can't put any text in.

Hi JSH.. jeepers yet another thing I can't understand. How did you get to 29sqM?? my sum of lwr + top doesn't tally with 29 (it would be 18 +18)

This 2nd application form, is in the dreaded pdf. format which I couldn't access before. Ok 1st I need to establish what I'm putting in the form/ what section applies to me from the prior fees document.. then try & find a way of accessing this form.

Ok I'm trying to establish from the fees link JSH above put up https://www.ceredigion.gov.uk/media/5112/building-regulations-fees-and-charges.pdf which mine might be. I think its section B.. & fifth one down @ £555.60 (Building Notice, RHS). My floor area is 4.5m x 4m = 18. I admit a wild stab in the dark, as most of this page I cannot understand so likely I'm totally on the wrong track. For eg, I cannot establish if Table B1 applies, &/ or Table C, &/ or Table D. Thanks, zoot

Thanks so much JSH. I need a break/ got another stress headache trying to understand all this. Once refreshed I'll dip into these links PM. I'm off for a walk on seafront in town- best respite. grateful- zoot

Totally understand Mr. Punter, that this is the best option thanks for the reply. One reason I actually feel I don't have this choice/ avenue.. is my archtct chap would take months to do it. Prior to agreeing to settle up for work done last week, its been 1.5 yrs since we last spoke (waiting on build quote mainly) so asking him now to continue with a *build plan > submit, him rarely in UK.. would set the build back months. I have the opportunity, my builder could crack on with this in ~october. If I wait it for this *best option.. I could be looking at another 6 months. The stress too much- I'd have to scrap idea/ I couldn't cope. I got PP back in nov '17.. & being so close to conceivably/ actually getting the damn thing built -finally- means I HAVE to grab the opportunity whilst its viable. Thankfully its NOT a compromise though.. bc I -do- have confidence in my builder as said. thx zoot

Ok so let's assume he is ok with this. How then, do I "apply for" or "submit a building notice?" I can't see these two words, or a yellow box option with these words on the link you kindly put up ^ before.

Ok I will call him tonight to clarify exactly if he's happy to work under a 'building notice' for this job. Actually I think I have done this/ had this conversation last week here with him explaining if he's happy with this option.. & that my arctct chap now not on board: & he seemed fine, &, as a result he's said all he needs is a plan with the critical dims on, no need for a detailed plan. I asked if he might have an eg of a prior build, & he came round next day with a big plan showing me what it can be condensed to, for him (for me to do)/ fine.

This is exactly the case, even speaking to the BCO (v.likely the one designated for the build) he spoke well of my builder/ both know each other well from many builds, over decades. This is exactly why I'm confident in my builder, to do this particular pretty straightforward job.

@JSHarris ok thanks alot for the clear explanation. I understand the two options, but I'm very confident in going the building notice route. Ok so its now a Q of how I take this building notice route.

Hi JSH. Ok without me needing to fully understand the difference between my 2 options (I do understand a vague notion tho): let's say I do consider the "do it under a building notice" option. I'm still a flapping fish out of water/ have no idea how I am proceeding along this avenue. Do I click on the "Apply for Building Regs Approval" yellow button on your link (many thanks btw- Id never have found this), & somewhere next I find the two options > to take the 'building notice' avenue? Or is clicking on this button the opposite of what I am trying to do/ this is soley the "full plans submission" route? I can't see any info with the words 'building notice' yet you see. Do I need "Building Regs Approval".. whichever option I take? or not neccessarily?