Pocster Posted February 28, 2019 Author Share Posted February 28, 2019 Not at the site. But took this photo because the gate hinges will need moving up 50mm What I do notice where the permatec goes vertical up the stone work it does look like it's fully bonded - so *perhaps* flashing isn't required ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 What's the test, a flood test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted February 28, 2019 Author Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Onoff said: What's the test, a flood test? No , they scan with a magic thing and it determines whether there are any patches of less than acceptable depth . Happens tomorrow so will know then . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, pocster said: No , they scan with a magic thing Let's hope it's not your stud detector! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 Against the stone work does look like the bitumen has bonded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpd Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 I assume you will be flashing it anyway along the wall as belt n braces but also to create a nice crisp transition ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 22 minutes ago, Cpd said: I assume you will be flashing it anyway along the wall as belt n braces but also to create a nice crisp transition ? Roofers been He said price didn’t include flashing (ffs) ; but said it did need it and gave me a guys number . The ‘test’ took all of 4 minutes - guy with a broom type device Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpd Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Unbelievable....... you need to triple check your warranty man, to the point of maybe getting a solicitor to verify it...... you also need to flood test it ASAP and triple check all possible points of weakness, like behind the gate pillars...I’m sure they are stand up chaps but to have talked about flashings and then tell you they are an add on is a potential red flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpd Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 What happens on the far side of the gate ? I assume this is where water will run off, but how is it detailed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 56 minutes ago, Cpd said: Unbelievable....... you need to triple check your warranty man, to the point of maybe getting a solicitor to verify it...... you also need to flood test it ASAP and triple check all possible points of weakness, like behind the gate pillars...I’m sure they are stand up chaps but to have talked about flashings and then tell you they are an add on is a potential red flag. It passed the test so will get the 25 yr warranty . You are quite right behind the gate pillars was tricky ( they showed me this without me prompting) they’ve ‘poured’ bitumen in that gap . Between the gates the bitumen runs through them so water will run off ( will get a photo up later ) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) I've witnessed hours of water testing on roofs / facades with no leaks. Then it rains for real and it pisses in! That's the real test imo. Edited March 1, 2019 by Onoff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Onoff said: I've witnessed hours of water testing on roofs / facades with no leaks. Then it rains for real and it pisses in! That's the real test imo. Couldn’t agree more . Have completely covered the walk on sky light holes - just waiting for rain . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpd Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, pocster said: Have completely covered the walk on sky light holes - just waiting for rain . Have you made sure that what you have covered then with is folded down at the edges as otherwise water will track under and either cause you some confusion or a hernia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Cpd said: Have you made sure that what you have covered then with is folded down at the edges as otherwise water will track under and either cause you some confusion or a hernia Yep . Its ok - I know exactly where to look for leaks . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted March 3, 2019 Author Share Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) Ok We’ve had fairly decent rain so I went to look at the site . Gates blown open and knocked a window cover over - so water there expected . 2 seem dry . 1 slight water as expected . Other not so sure ( the smaller one with water tracking marks from the corners . Remember no flashing at the moment Edited March 3, 2019 by pocster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted March 3, 2019 Author Share Posted March 3, 2019 This is the wall near the troublesome window . Looks like it got saturated in the rain - so with no flashing possibly the problem ? i’ve covered the window better this time - see what happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted March 3, 2019 Author Share Posted March 3, 2019 So ! i hose that corner wall for a good 10 minutes. Run underneath- can’t see any obvious difference ! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted March 3, 2019 Author Share Posted March 3, 2019 So currently I have no idea ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted March 3, 2019 Author Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, pocster said: So ! i hose that corner wall for a good 10 minutes. Run underneath- can’t see any obvious difference ! ? What I meant is the water track marks from the corners look the same ! Not good news . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted March 3, 2019 Author Share Posted March 3, 2019 Dumb question. I've seen LOTS of condensation before in the basement area i.e. droplets on the concrete ceiling with no track marks, On these window corners as a test ; if I foam gunned come PIR to the problem areas and indeed even up the inside of the upstand. *In theory* after rain etc. if I removed the stuck PIR and no water tracking was visible on the concrete then that would confirm it's a condensation issue where the concrete reaches dew point. Dumb idea? or just incorrect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpd Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 really tricky to differentiate between condensation and water ingress in this situation....... I suppose by lagging the cold spots in theory should eliminate condensation from this area but it may just form on the next coldest spot...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted March 3, 2019 Author Share Posted March 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cpd said: really tricky to differentiate between condensation and water ingress in this situation....... I suppose by lagging the cold spots in theory should eliminate condensation from this area but it may just form on the next coldest spot...... I know I know ! Want to blame condensation- but in my heart think it’s a leak ! Might try my PIR experiment and also flash that far wall then see . What a bitch ! 6 months to be no further - keeps me awake at night ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) Don't do this, WAIT for someone more knowledgeable to comment... That inside concrete reveal under the roof lights, could you paint that with black concrete paint so you can see if water runs down it. Thinking bare concrete will soak anything up? Edited March 3, 2019 by Onoff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted March 3, 2019 Author Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Onoff said: Don't do this, WAIT for someone more knowledgeable to comment... That inside concrete reveal under the roof lights, could you paint that with black concrete paint so you can see if water runs down it. Thinking bare concrete will soak anything up? No idea mate ! I’m spent ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted March 3, 2019 Author Share Posted March 3, 2019 And I’ve got no wine ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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