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Rightly or wrongly a self build is what I have always wanted to do. More to the point there was a very specific property that I yearned to build on. This week, almost 25 years after fist imagining it I agreed the purchase of the plot, a listed threshing barn with a smidge under 1 acre surrounding it. And so with my Wife and 3 year old son beside me we will set about making the property an economical, comfortable family home which will provide for us in years to come. Excited isn’t the least of it. Interestingly, despite my existing knowledge of the construction industry as a PM (and everything which is required prior to get to this point - Joiner, Supervisor, Site Manager etc) and the long standing desire the opportunity is also extremely daunting. Wish me luck, I’m sure we’ll need it!!! 

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Welcome.

Please excuse the cheeky question - you do have Planning Permission don't you.... for a Listed building? You're a magician if you have. Go to the top of the class.

 

@Pocster will award you a jammy dodger in due course. 

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  On 14/09/2024 at 06:43, ToughButterCup said:

Welcome.

Please excuse the cheeky question - you do have Planning Permission don't you.... for a Listed building? You're a magician if you have. Go to the top of the class.

 

@Pocster will award you a jammy dodger in due course. 

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Yes, listed building consent and planning permission. The design has had to be extremely sympathetic to the surroundings (i.e no new openings and no out of character materials externally) and there is a measurable positive impact due to the proposed demolition of an adjacent agricultural building. In fairness I can thank my father and his partner for the work that has gone into that. It certainly didn’t come first time around and there was, how to phrase it, a significantly protracted review period. 

 

  On 14/09/2024 at 07:28, Alan Ambrose said:

Sounds a fantastic project. Welcome … and can we drool over a picture of it please?

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Sure, I don’t have many but here’s a teaser, there will be more due course!!! I’ll be back in a few weeks to meet some architects to tender for stage 4 so I’ll be taking some then. 

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  On 14/09/2024 at 08:26, Alan Ambrose said:

What a lovely old building. It would be interesting to hear more sometime about the steps involved in obtaining consent from the listings people.

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Of course, more detail another time  but it was not necessarily overly onerous, effectively a heritage statement putting the building and its surroundings into context, the proposed design was presented with the sole purpose of getting permission/consent and as such the existing features were proposed to be re-instated in all cases and no new openings were to be formed with the sole exclusion being the gable to the LHS of the building which will receive two storey height windows which was only permissible due to the previous collapse of the gable and subsequent rebuilding in block. There was a proposed extension which was eventually approved but it mimics all the features and is to be built in the same style as the existing structure.  

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  On 14/09/2024 at 06:17, BadgerBodger said:

almost 25 years after fist imagining it I

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Wow that’s impressive, well done. I do question “no new openings” I think listed buildings can be converted sympathetically without looking just like its original use (which it no longer is) but hey what a lovely project and looking forward to the journey with you.

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>>> I do question “no new openings”

 

Me too, the openings in there right now don't look 100% authentic.

 

I think we should concentrate on beautiful and efficient and great to live in buidings for the future. A lot of the old stuff, particularly old ag stuff, probably had 5 minutes spent on 'design'. And we're going to go out of our way to 'preserve' this? Ag buildings were built for storage and/or animals ffs. Wouldn't it be an idea to allow a little more slack for the new usage for humans?

 

A friend has a listed place. Heritage were doing a barney about keeping some stairs - until the owners found someone in the village who had put them in in the '70s.

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I’m inclined to agree, architecture can and should demonstrate the past and the present concurrently. The very nature of this barns change of use (and an argument for permissions being granted) is due to its lack of relevance for its original purpose resulting in the building being in a general state of disrepair. We may seek to may subsequent applications to make additional changes but I’m inclined to believe that once we have opened each of the vertical ventilation slots (80+) you see in the photo and installed glazing to each the building will be reasonably well lit. For now it’s a compromise I’m happy to make to get moving!!! 
 

It’s a blank(ish) canvas inside.

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  On 15/09/2024 at 09:13, BadgerBadger said:

Welcome - let the username confusion commence!! 🤣

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Ha, I typed BadgerBadger … username taken. I thought that’s a first.

  On 15/09/2024 at 09:01, ToughButterCup said:

 

We have some really narrow windows. Craig at Gaulhofer worried more about those than the larger windows.... those 'slit' windows look narrower than ours.

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Yeah, I think I’m not going to have much luck with getting them manufactured by whoever I go with for the main windows… probably have to get a local joiner or make them myself. 

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  On 15/09/2024 at 09:25, BadgerBodger said:

Yeah, I think I’m not going to have much luck with getting them manufactured by whoever I go with for the main windows… probably have to get a local joiner or make them myself. 

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Being so narrow you could go with frameless otherwise you will have almost no glass.

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  On 16/09/2024 at 12:39, joe90 said:

Being so narrow you could go with frameless otherwise you will have almost no glass.

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Hmmmm frameless. I hadn’t put much thought to that being an option but worth investigating. 
 

The internal opening is actually larger than the external. They are fluted with a full half brick margin either side. I was thinking of removing one brick above and below so that the window sits within the rebate and doesn’t impede on the opening. Lends itself quite nicely to the ability to reglaze in the future and deal with thermal bridging without excessively reducing the clear opening.
 

I’ve found some upvc ones that might do the trick too but call me sentimental, I want wood. 

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  On 14/09/2024 at 06:17, BadgerBodger said:

threshing barn

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Welcome to the threshing club. We've just about done a stone one (there was an opening in the wall for a threshing machine drive shaft. Plus a proper thresh hold stone.

Not listed. I think we were more sympathetic to heritage than the planners.

  On 15/09/2024 at 09:25, BadgerBodger said:

probably have to get a local joiner or make them myself. 

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There are a few easy solutions, but a long way down the list.

 

Now starting a steel one. Not listed but has to stay in place.

 

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