England has lowest quality of housing vs rest of Europe

[Alan Ambrose]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/oct/05/england-worst-place-in-developed-world-to-find-housing-says-report

[ProDave]

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Labour has said it might release greenbelt for building when it is “dilapidated, neglected scrubland” and will “put social and genuinely affordable housing at the very heart of our plans to jump-start the housebuilding industry”.

That has just told anybody with land in the green belt, that they want to build on, to not manage it and let it become "dilapidated, neglected scrubland"

[nod]

1 hour ago, Alan Ambrose said:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/oct/05/england-worst-place-in-developed-world-to-find-housing-says-report

But yet migrants are still making a B line for the UK Worst housing Best benefits system 

 

I find headlines like this ironic 

Visit France and see all the migrants camped by the roadside 

Edited October 5, 2023 by nod

[joth]

The title of this thread really does not reflect the content of the linked article. This is about property developers claiming UK has the biggest shortfall in the quantity of housing (relative to demand), not quality.

In almost all cases, developers lobby for lower standards, to continue to build low quality housing, claiming it makes the product more affordable and thus is helping solve the quantity issue.

In practice, many large developers sit on plenty of land ready for development but limit release of it in order to artificially maintain the high price of housing, while holding down the quality of housing built, all in order to maximise profits.

e.g. https://www.mpamag.com/uk/news/general/stripehomes-biggest-housebuilders-increase-land-banking-by-4/389891

 

[Nick Thomas]

32 minutes ago, nod said:

Worst housing Best benefits system 

 

https://www.tuc.org.uk/sites/default/files/Welfare_States_Touchstone_Extra_2015_AW_Rev.pdf

 

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/how-generous-is-british-welfare/ -> https://www.cwep.us/ but I don't have easy access to their data. Still, this is an instructive picture.

 

 

Why do they actually make their destination the UK rather than another country along the way? Complicated, but a major factor is that it's seen as much easier to find work in the UK. Yes, work. Taking our jerbs etc. Then there's the language barrier (or lack thereof).

 

More, better, cheaper housing would likely make the UK more attractive to people from overseas, but refusing it for that reason would really be cutting off our noses to spite our faces.

[Ferdinand]

2 hours ago, ProDave said:

That has just told anybody with land in the green belt, that they want to build on, to not manage it and let it become "dilapidated, neglected scrubland"

 

If done properly, there will be a special 90%+ Planning Gain tax as part of the package, which is needed to boost Local Authority funding which has been cut by 1/3 to a 1/2 nearly everywhere by the existing Governments.

[nod]

1 hour ago, Nick Thomas said:

 

https://www.tuc.org.uk/sites/default/files/Welfare_States_Touchstone_Extra_2015_AW_Rev.pdf

 

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/how-generous-is-british-welfare/ -> https://www.cwep.us/ but I don't have easy access to their data. Still, this is an instructive picture.

 

 

Why do they actually make their destination the UK rather than another country along the way? Complicated, but a major factor is that it's seen as much easier to find work in the UK. Yes, work. Taking our jerbs etc. Then there's the language barrier (or lack thereof).

 

More, better, cheaper housing would likely make the UK more attractive to people from overseas, but refusing it for that reason would really be cutting off our noses to spite our faces.

It’s not complicated 

These people are coming through many safe countries Hell bent on getting to the UK 

Its shocking driving from the tunnel through France with hundreds of migrants living in the bushes 

A bowl of soup and a tent if there lucky 

When they arrive here Illegally They have hit the jackpot There given somewhere to live food and money 

Until the benefits system is change 

The UK will be the first choice destination 

We enough of our own who play the system 

[Nick Thomas]

Horse, water, drink.

[billt]

1 hour ago, nod said:

It’s not complicated 

These people are coming through many safe countries Hell bent on getting to the UK 

Its shocking driving from the tunnel through France with hundreds of migrants living in the bushes 

A bowl of soup and a tent if there lucky 

When they arrive here Illegally They have hit the jackpot There given somewhere to live food and money 

Until the benefits system is change 

The UK will be the first choice destination 

We enough of our own who play the system 

 

In 2022 there were 965,665 asylum applications in the EU, 243,800 of them in Germany alone. there were 81,130 applications in the UK in 2021 a mere 8% of EU applications.

 

You are Suella Braverman and I claim my £5.

 

[Nick Thomas]

I quite liked this diagram: https://worldmigrationreport.iom.int/wmr-2022-interactive/

 

France:

 

 

UK:

 

 

I'll give you three guesses why people from Algeria and Morocco decide to end their travel in France, while people from Poland and India decide to end it in the UK.

[SteamyTea]

5 hours ago, Nick Thomas said:

Why do they actually make their destination the UK rather than another country along the way?

Usually because they have family/friends/contacts in the UK is what I heard on the radio.

 

5 hours ago, Nick Thomas said:

Taking our jerbs

Doing what we should be doing.