September 15, 20233 yr If I cost up my staircase in parts, it works out as about £1600. I have just had a quote from the same company that supplies the parts and its £4500. I know there is work in the cutting and assembly, but it doesn't feel like £3000 worth. Without the CNC machines, it feels like it would take an experienced joiner 1-2 days to cut everything and then perhaps similar to assemble to the same state that you receive a staircase in. That means you're looking at perhaps £2400 compared to the £4500. Mass production should make the staircase manufacturer cheaper. What am I missing?
September 15, 20233 yr Author 1 hour ago, Dave Jones said: whats the stairbox price ? Stairbox are much more like it. £2800. 15 minutes ago, joe90 said: I used stair box and would recommend them. Do they have are mortice & tenon newel to stringer connection?
September 15, 20233 yr Just now, MortarThePoint said: Do they have are mortice & tenon newel to stringer connection? Yes all joints preformed, very solid construction Imo
September 16, 20233 yr 10 hours ago, MortarThePoint said: If I cost up my staircase in parts, it works out as about £1600. I have just had a quote from the same company that supplies the parts and its £4500. I know there is work in the cutting and assembly, but it doesn't feel like £3000 worth. Without the CNC machines, it feels like it would take an experienced joiner 1-2 days to cut everything and then perhaps similar to assemble to the same state that you receive a staircase in. That means you're looking at perhaps £2400 compared to the £4500. Mass production should make the staircase manufacturer cheaper. What am I missing? Your not missing anything A friend of mine has a joinery shop and made our oak stairs in four days He said it was the first one he had done for a while As the companies that just make stairs have all the jigs set up and would make them in a fraction of the time Not just building but everywhere is short staffed or has employees that don’t want to work So simply load the price on every job I put our treatment plant in low on our first and added a neck extension Just a square of plastic with a lip for the lid £200 5 minute job to fit 5 years on Same again 300 mil extension needed £750 Oil based products have gone up Cost of living etc Asked a mate who has a fabrication shop £200 if plenty most places are doing it
September 16, 20233 yr Author 3 hours ago, nod said: Your not missing anything A friend of mine has a joinery shop and made our oak stairs in four days He said it was the first one he had done for a while As the companies that just make stairs have all the jigs set up and would make them in a fraction of the time Not just building but everywhere is short staffed or has employees that don’t want to work So simply load the price on every job I put our treatment plant in low on our first and added a neck extension Just a square of plastic with a lip for the lid £200 5 minute job to fit 5 years on Same again 300 mil extension needed £750 Oil based products have gone up Cost of living etc Asked a mate who has a fabrication shop £200 if plenty most places are doing it It's the beginning of the end for a business when it expects it's customers to bear the price of its poor management. A well trodden path sadly.
September 16, 20233 yr Author I want to do the whole thing myself and have the satisfaction, but the newel to stringer m&t joint is intimidating. Edited September 16, 20233 yr by MortarThePoint
September 16, 20233 yr 11 minutes ago, MortarThePoint said: I want to do the whole thing myself and have the satisfaction, but the newel to stringer m&t joint is intimidating. Well I initially felt the same as I love woodwork and had some machinery, but, with all the other work on the build I was involved with i got the satisfaction of assembling the “kit” and ended up with a lovely looking oak staircase without the hassle and longer time frame. Edited September 16, 20233 yr by joe90
September 16, 20233 yr 2 minutes ago, Dave Jones said: im a fan of the cast iron spindles as well. Yes I found them on EBay from a company in Yorkshire. Edited September 16, 20233 yr by joe90
September 16, 20233 yr Our set of Stairbox stairs, but using the Fusion handrails and spindles from Burdidge.
September 16, 20233 yr 2 hours ago, MortarThePoint said: It's the beginning of the end for a business when it expects it's customers to bear the price of its poor management. A well trodden path sadly. Totally agree
September 16, 20233 yr Author 3 hours ago, joe90 said: Well I initially felt the same as I love woodwork and had some machinery, but, with all the other work on the build I was involved with i got the satisfaction of assembling the “kit” and ended up with a lovely looking oak staircase without the hassle and longer time frame. I'm interested in how the right hand stringer is mated to the skirting board at the top. Do you have a close up of that?
September 16, 20233 yr 1 hour ago, MortarThePoint said: I'm interested in how the right hand stringer is mated to the skirting board at the top. Do you have a close up of that? Unfortunately not and don’t live there anymore. I built the half landing myself, got stair box to supply matching oak for the floor, normal skirting on the half landing. Hope that helps.
September 16, 20233 yr Author 6 hours ago, joe90 said: Unfortunately not and don’t live there anymore. I built the half landing myself, got stair box to supply matching oak for the floor, normal skirting on the half landing. Hope that helps. How did the it attach to the half landing?
September 16, 20233 yr Like most stairs the stringers rest on the next landing then I secured with metal brackets, cad drawing available (crayon assisted drawing 🤣)
September 16, 20233 yr Author 22 minutes ago, joe90 said: Like most stairs the stringers rest on the next landing then I secured with metal brackets, cad drawing available (crayon assisted drawing 🤣) What type of metal bracket? A CAD drawing would really help if you are able to.
September 16, 20233 yr 27 minutes ago, MortarThePoint said: A CAD drawing would really help if you are able to. I will get my crayons out in the morning.
September 17, 20233 yr Morning all, it’s Sunday so a slow start. Now, it was over 4 years ago so my memory might not be spot on, however to the best of my (failing) memory this is how I did it. On the drawing below what’s in red is what was supplied by stair box and that in black what I did. Basically I made the half landing of 6x2 concrete bolted to three walls and hung across the front, stair box supplied enough t+g matching oak flooring that I laid on these joists. The stair leans on the landing by both stringers and the stub nose top step aligns with the oak flooring i laid. I concrete bolted the stringer to the wall one side and I screwed through the 6x2 into the stringers. The skirting, matching that throughout the house was laid up to the edge of the stringer. I hope this makes sense 🤷♂️
September 17, 20233 yr Author 2 hours ago, joe90 said: Morning all, it’s Sunday so a slow start. Now, it was over 4 years ago so my memory might not be spot on, however to the best of my (failing) memory this is how I did it. On the drawing below what’s in red is what was supplied by stair box and that in black what I did. Basically I made the half landing of 6x2 concrete bolted to three walls and hung across the front, stair box supplied enough t+g matching oak flooring that I laid on these joists. The stair leans on the landing by both stringers and the stub nose top step aligns with the oak flooring i laid. I concrete bolted the stringer to the wall one side and I screwed through the 6x2 into the stringers. The skirting, matching that throughout the house was laid up to the edge of the stringer. I hope this makes sense 🤷♂️ The picture hasn't uploaded for some reason
September 17, 20233 yr Author 57 minutes ago, MortarThePoint said: and I screwed through the 6x2 into the stringers. The 6x2 of the landing against the wall was presumably in line with the stringer, so did you toenail it through the landing's front 6x2? Edited September 17, 20233 yr by MortarThePoint
September 17, 20233 yr 2 hours ago, MortarThePoint said: did you toenail it through the landing's front 6x2? Yes, the wall bolt was doing the majority of the work, it was Inline with the other stringer as no wall plate in the way. Edited September 17, 20233 yr by joe90
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