Ralph Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 I need a couple of panels of Greencoat plx replaced that were damaged when a tree come down. Most of the metal roofing contractors are around Glasgow and Edinburgh (I'm a few hours north) and none of them seem interested in this small job without charging a mint, not even the people that did the original roof. I have enough spare steel, just need someone to do it. It's a long shot but does anyone know of any companies in Angus, Aberdeenshire or Tayside that I could try? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelvin Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 I’ve had a nightmare trying to get folk to quote for the whole roof let alone repair it which puts some doubt in your head about fitting standing seam at all as tiles are easier to replace. I can give you the list of companies I’ve asked to provide me with quotes but I suspect you’ll have tried most of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Kelvin said: I’ve had a nightmare trying to get folk to quote for the whole roof let alone repair it which puts some doubt in your head about fitting standing seam at all as tiles are easier to replace. I can give you the list of companies I’ve asked to provide me with quotes but I suspect you’ll have tried most of them. I get the impression that needing a repair is not that common but it's a fair point. I think part of the issues is the licensing of installers. North East Contracts said they could not do because the did not use the Greencoat "system". As far as I know standing seam would be done in pretty much the same way across materials unless is was Snaplock or similar. I assume they just don't want a small job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Changing individual panels is very doable but unless you are at the right end or running off to the end then you will always have one cover seam that needs to be opened up and then re crimped (or zipped) and it will have ripples in it. So to installers it’s a lot of faff and potential disputes afterwards so they shy away from repairs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 24 minutes ago, markc said: Changing individual panels is very doable but unless you are at the right end or running off to the end then you will always have one cover seam that needs to be opened up and then re crimped (or zipped) and it will have ripples in it. So to installers it’s a lot of faff and potential disputes afterwards so they shy away from repairs That's a fair point, I did have one installer say that they would just leave the panel on, lay a new one over the top then crimp onto an existing one. Not sure about that but to be honest I'm at the point where a few ripples is not going to bother me, especially as it's on my garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelvin Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 58 minutes ago, Ralph said: I get the impression that needing a repair is not that common but it's a fair point. I think part of the issues is the licensing of installers. North East Contracts said they could not do because the did not use the Greencoat "system". As far as I know standing seam would be done in pretty much the same way across materials unless is was Snaplock or similar. I assume they just don't want a small job. Their quote for Catnic was £9k dearer than my VMZinc quote. They don’t want any domestic job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 That would explain things. Makes me wonder if I can DIY it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonD Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 18 hours ago, Ralph said: That would explain things. Makes me wonder if I can DIY it Can you share photos? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 18 hours ago, Ralph said: That would explain things. Makes me wonder if I can DIY it Hardest part is getting under the cap to open it up, the hand tool and machine have a ‘blade’ rather like a plough that goes under the edge and then forces the cap open as it moves along. A bit of plastic or something like car body trim removal tools could be fashioned to do the job without marking. Re crimping can be done with a soft mallet and support block to tap against 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 20 minutes ago, SimonD said: Can you share photos? Yeah, here you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Did the tree come down in a storm? If so insurance claim, then the cost does not bother you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonD Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Definitely DIYable but your main challenge is going to be forming the new tray/s, and flashings. Unless you have some spare preformed? The damaged tray may not be a standard width which could make it more niggly. To take the existing off, you'll need one of these: https://www.roofing-tools.com/stubai-seam-opening-tool-c2x9251590 I'd also recommend you give Metal Solutions in Glasgow a ring to see if they do tool set hire. They'll also be able to advise you. The rough and ready fix would be to use a hammer and flat cobble under the crinkled tray - you'd be left with some creases but it's doable. The rest could be rectified fairly well also with hammer and cobble together with hand seaming tools. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 43 minutes ago, ProDave said: Did the tree come down in a storm? If so insurance claim, then the cost does not bother you? It's a bit complicated, basically it happened before we moved in so site insurance only covered the house and not the garage as it was a completed structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 19 minutes ago, SimonD said: The rough and ready fix would be to use a hammer and flat cobble under the crinkled tray - you'd be left with some creases but it's doable. The rest could be rectified fairly well also with hammer and cobble together with hand seaming tools. I think this may be my approach, thanks for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, Ralph said: It's a bit complicated, basically it happened before we moved in so site insurance only covered the house and not the garage as it was a completed structure. Check the small print. Mine said it converted to normal buildings insurance upon completion. I don't known if that means once a building is physically completed, or signed off as completed by building control? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saveasteading Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 This is why I never used standing seam. I have repaired some though. We always left the old sheets on, bashed down any protruding bits, and made flashings to apply over the damaged areas. Looked like new. In your case it looks as if only thd edge is damaged so you could fit a new barge flashing. I would recommend a shape, more interesting than a rectangle, and reduces the contact points. What is the reason for the ridge flashings being as they are? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelvin Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Nice looking garage though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, saveasteading said: What is the reason for the ridge flashings being as they are? I'm afraid it was lack of forethought and leaving the contractor and roofer to get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Kelvin said: Nice looking garage though. Cheers, it was nicer until this landed on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelvin Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Aye. Fortunately we don’t have any trees nearby. Nice as trees are I don’t want them within falling distance of the house and garage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saveasteading Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 You have a wood burning stove and a chainsaw I trust! Can you show a picture looking up the slope. ie a cross section of the cladding and flashing? If you can post a sectional drawing of a standard sheet that would be helpful. My understanding of the seam tool is that it involves some training and expertise. I have handled one on a course, but it was a different product. So renting one may be tricky and costly, then you need to use it while walking up the slope. The big worry would be if a replacement panel didn't fit for some reason (tolerances between batches can be a problem) A replacement panel would probably cosy £1,000 by the time you had it made, palleted and delivered. I had not heard of Greencoat or SSB. I see they have a UK chat line though., and if you get an Engineer or technician they will probably help you with suggestions. I can try to help if you can get the section drawing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 35 minutes ago, saveasteading said: You have a wood burning stove and a chainsaw I trust! Can you show a picture looking up the slope. ie a cross section of the cladding and flashing? If you can post a sectional drawing of a standard sheet that would be helpful. My understanding of the seam tool is that it involves some training and expertise. I have handled one on a course, but it was a different product. So renting one may be tricky and costly, then you need to use it while walking up the slope. The big worry would be if a replacement panel didn't fit for some reason (tolerances between batches can be a problem) A replacement panel would probably cosy £1,000 by the time you had it made, palleted and delivered. I had not heard of Greencoat or SSB. I see they have a UK chat line though., and if you get an Engineer or technician they will probably help you with suggestions. I can try to help if you can get the section drawing. Wood burner goes in this year and Stihl had a workout on that. The steel comes on roll so it does have to be formed on site. I don't have cross sections or anything other than the diagram below. I believe it's a single fold so "should" be easier to replace. Thanks for the offer but I may have found someone who while not Greencoat installer may be able to repair if not replace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saveasteading Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 OK. Happy to look at your solution when you get closer. A good cladder may be more help than a specialist, approved dealer. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelvin Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Great you’ve found someone. Worth keeping their number handy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 22 minutes ago, saveasteading said: OK. Happy to look at your solution when you get closer. A good cladder may be more help than a specialist, approved dealer. Good luck. Cheers, much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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