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Standing Seam Repair in North East Scotland


Ralph

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I need a couple of panels of Greencoat plx replaced that were damaged when a tree come down. Most of the metal roofing contractors are around Glasgow and Edinburgh (I'm a few hours north) and none of them seem interested in this small job without charging a mint, not even the people that did the original roof. I have enough spare steel, just need someone to do it.

 

It's a long shot but does anyone know of any companies in Angus, Aberdeenshire or Tayside that I could try?


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I’ve had a nightmare trying to get folk to quote for the whole roof let alone repair it which puts some doubt in your head about fitting standing seam at all as tiles are easier to replace. 
 

I can give you the list of companies I’ve asked to provide me with quotes but I suspect you’ll have tried most of them. 

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1 hour ago, Kelvin said:

I’ve had a nightmare trying to get folk to quote for the whole roof let alone repair it which puts some doubt in your head about fitting standing seam at all as tiles are easier to replace. 
 

I can give you the list of companies I’ve asked to provide me with quotes but I suspect you’ll have tried most of them. 

I get the impression that needing a repair is not that common but it's a fair point.

I think part of the issues is the licensing of installers. North East Contracts said they could not do because the did not use the Greencoat "system". As far as I know standing seam would be done in pretty much the same way across materials unless is was Snaplock or similar. I assume they just don't want a small job.

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Changing individual panels is very doable but unless you are at the right end or running off to the end then you will always have one cover seam that needs to be opened up and then re crimped (or zipped) and it will have ripples in it. So to installers it’s a lot of faff and potential disputes afterwards so they shy away from repairs

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24 minutes ago, markc said:

Changing individual panels is very doable but unless you are at the right end or running off to the end then you will always have one cover seam that needs to be opened up and then re crimped (or zipped) and it will have ripples in it. So to installers it’s a lot of faff and potential disputes afterwards so they shy away from repairs

That's a fair point, I did have one installer say that they would just leave the panel on, lay a new one over the top then crimp onto an existing one. Not sure about that but to be honest I'm at the point where a few ripples is not going to bother me, especially as it's on my garage.

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58 minutes ago, Ralph said:

I get the impression that needing a repair is not that common but it's a fair point.

I think part of the issues is the licensing of installers. North East Contracts said they could not do because the did not use the Greencoat "system". As far as I know standing seam would be done in pretty much the same way across materials unless is was Snaplock or similar. I assume they just don't want a small job.


Their quote for Catnic was £9k dearer than my VMZinc quote. They don’t want any domestic job. 

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18 hours ago, Ralph said:

That would explain things. Makes me wonder if I can DIY it

Hardest part is getting under the cap to open it up, the hand tool and machine have a ‘blade’ rather like a plough that goes under the edge and then forces the cap open as it moves along. A bit of plastic or something like car body trim removal tools could be fashioned to do the job without marking. Re crimping can be done with a soft mallet and support block to tap against

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Definitely DIYable but your main challenge is going to be forming the new tray/s, and flashings. Unless you have some spare preformed? The damaged tray may not be a standard width which could make it more niggly.

 

To take the existing off, you'll need one of these: https://www.roofing-tools.com/stubai-seam-opening-tool-c2x9251590

 

I'd also recommend you give Metal Solutions in Glasgow a ring to see if they do tool set hire. They'll also be able to advise you.

 

The rough and ready fix would be to use a hammer and flat cobble under the crinkled tray - you'd be left with some creases but it's doable. The rest could be rectified fairly well also with hammer and cobble together with hand seaming tools.

 

 

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43 minutes ago, ProDave said:

Did the tree come down in a storm?  If so insurance claim, then the cost does not bother you?

It's a bit complicated, basically it happened before we moved in so site insurance only covered the house and not the garage as it was a completed structure. 

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19 minutes ago, SimonD said:

The rough and ready fix would be to use a hammer and flat cobble under the crinkled tray - you'd be left with some creases but it's doable. The rest could be rectified fairly well also with hammer and cobble together with hand seaming tools.

I think this may be my approach, thanks for that.

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9 minutes ago, Ralph said:

It's a bit complicated, basically it happened before we moved in so site insurance only covered the house and not the garage as it was a completed structure. 

Check the small print.  Mine said it converted to normal buildings insurance upon completion.  I don't known if that means once a building is physically completed, or signed off as completed by building control?

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This is why I never used standing seam. 

I have repaired some though. We always left the old sheets on, bashed down  any  protruding bits, and made flashings to apply over the damaged areas. Looked like new.

In your case it looks as if only thd edge is damaged  so you could fit a new barge flashing. I would recommend a shape, more interesting than a rectangle, and reduces the contact points.

What is the reason for the ridge flashings being as they are?

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You have a wood burning stove and a chainsaw I trust!

 Can you show a picture looking up the slope. ie a cross section of the cladding and flashing?

If you can post a sectional drawing of a standard sheet that would be helpful.

 

My understanding of the seam tool is that it involves some training and expertise. I have handled one on a course, but it was a different product.

So renting one may be tricky and costly, then you need to use it while walking up the slope. The big worry would be if a replacement panel didn't fit for some reason (tolerances between batches can be a problem)

 

A replacement panel would probably cosy £1,000 by the time you had it made, palleted and delivered.

 

I had not heard of Greencoat or SSB. I see they have a UK chat line though., and if you get an Engineer or technician they will probably help you with suggestions. 

 

I can try to help if you can get the section drawing.

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35 minutes ago, saveasteading said:

You have a wood burning stove and a chainsaw I trust!

 Can you show a picture looking up the slope. ie a cross section of the cladding and flashing?

If you can post a sectional drawing of a standard sheet that would be helpful.

 

My understanding of the seam tool is that it involves some training and expertise. I have handled one on a course, but it was a different product.

So renting one may be tricky and costly, then you need to use it while walking up the slope. The big worry would be if a replacement panel didn't fit for some reason (tolerances between batches can be a problem)

 

A replacement panel would probably cosy £1,000 by the time you had it made, palleted and delivered.

 

I had not heard of Greencoat or SSB. I see they have a UK chat line though., and if you get an Engineer or technician they will probably help you with suggestions. 

 

I can try to help if you can get the section drawing.

Wood burner goes in this year and Stihl had a workout on that. 

The steel comes on roll so  it does have to be formed on site. I don't have cross sections or anything other than the diagram below. I believe it's a single fold so "should" be easier to replace.

 

Thanks for the offer but I may have found someone who while not Greencoat installer may be able to repair if not replace.

 

Standing Seam Single Lock Panels - Copper, Steel, Aluminum, Zinc

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