erol_flow Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Hi! I would like to fit a row of upvc windows above the door as seen in the photo, would this be something i could do, and if so, any pointers as to what i should be looking out for in terms of securing it etc. passing building regs etc. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 No problem doing that assuming it’s not a load bearing wall. No difference to fixing in middle of a stud wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erol_flow Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 2 hours ago, markc said: No problem doing that assuming it’s not a load bearing wall. No difference to fixing in middle of a stud wall Thanks for your reply, it's the face of an extension i am planning to build, so will be bearing the weight of sloping roof... does this count as load bearing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, erol_flow said: Thanks for your reply, it's the face of an extension i am planning to build, so will be bearing the weight of sloping roof... does this count as load bearing? If it’s taking the roof load then things get a little more complicated as you will need a lintel or load bearing header above the windows. BC would/shoul want to see an SE spec and sign off for the detail there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erol_flow Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 34 minutes ago, markc said: If it’s taking the roof load then things get a little more complicated as you will need a lintel or load bearing header above the windows. BC would/shoul want to see an SE spec and sign off for the detail there. I've got 670mm space between the top of the door header and the bottom of the walls top plate... Do you think i'd be pushing it with a 500mm tall window? or should i go for a smaller window? i was hoping 500mm window because they seem to be the smallest size that actually open! cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Surely all you would do is move the lintel that is above the door now to being just under the wall plate. Then the window could fill whatever gap is between the underside of the lintel and the top of the door. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 57 minutes ago, ProDave said: Surely all you would do is move the lintel that is above the door now to being just under the wall plate. Then the window could fill whatever gap is between the underside of the lintel and the top of the door. Normally yes I agree but I’m thinking the sketch shows a stud wall and probably OSB sheathed making the frame above the door very rigid (no lintel) take that away and you are/could be loading the top midspan of the door frame. unless the sketch is indicative and there is supposed to be a lintel/door header. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ETC Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 6 hours ago, erol_flow said: Hi! I would like to fit a row of upvc windows above the door as seen in the photo, would this be something i could do, and if so, any pointers as to what i should be looking out for in terms of securing it etc. passing building regs etc. Thanks Having a fan light above the door is no different that the windows already shown to the LHS - just move the timber lintels shown above the door to directly under the wall plate. I’m presuming this is a timber frame and the lintels have all been designed by a timber frame specialist? If you are having an external masonry skin then you should be using a Keystone (OOEAA) L-shaped lintel on the outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erol_flow Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, ETC said: Having a fan light above the door is no different that the windows already shown to the LHS - just move the timber lintels shown above the door to directly under the wall plate. I’m presuming this is a timber frame and the lintels have all been designed by a timber frame specialist? If you are having an external masonry skin then you should be using a Keystone (OOEAA) L-shaped lintel on the outside. This is a timber frame, but no timber frame specialist involved, I did the sketch myself. I am on a very low budget and have been and will continue to watch as many youtube videos and read as much as possible to learn. Would you say I really should get specialists involved? I wont be having an external masonry skin, just some sort of cladding. 4 hours ago, markc said: Normally yes I agree but I’m thinking the sketch shows a stud wall and probably OSB sheathed making the frame above the door very rigid (no lintel) take that away and you are/could be loading the top midspan of the door frame. unless the sketch is indicative and there is supposed to be a lintel/door header. The sketch does show a stud wall and OSB sheathing, there is also a lintel/door header which is above the door, but details of the lintel i have yet to finalise (was planning on more in depth research before this part). Edited September 17, 2022 by erol_flow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ETC Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 BC will more than likely ask for frame calculations or details - including lintels. Check with them and ask what they require - if faced with a timber frame on site I certainly would ask for something from a timber frame designer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundtuit Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 11 hours ago, erol_flow said: I would like to fit a row of upvc windows above the door as seen in the photo Apologies, but I'm going to have to ask why? The windows are already unbalanced and look odd; if you need more light, I'd be trying to work with the existing to achieve something more aesthetically pleasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 What slope is the roof? If needing more light I'd be putting skylights in, vertical light is more valuable then horizontal. We have ~3m celinings in part of our house and 2400mm head heights for all the doors and windows, looks just right. You need some symmetry and constancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erol_flow Posted September 18, 2022 Author Share Posted September 18, 2022 (edited) On 17/09/2022 at 21:17, ETC said: BC will more than likely ask for frame calculations or details - including lintels. Check with them and ask what they require - if faced with a timber frame on site I certainly would ask for something from a timber frame designer. Thanks, i'll ask them hopefully spending some time documenting my calculations in a clear enough way will do... I can only imagine how much the professionals would charge for the design 😅 which of course is fair enough... if I had the spare money 🤣 23 hours ago, Roundtuit said: Apologies, but I'm going to have to ask why? The windows are already unbalanced and look odd; if you need more light, I'd be trying to work with the existing to achieve something more aesthetically pleasing. Thank you, It's all good I really appreciate the input! Here's a better idea of the design with the windows above the door. I want a shelf extended from the window sill with houseplants on it, the area to the LHS of the room with the arched window extends out from where our kitchen currently is (a whole 2m wide), and will continue as a kitchen (2m wide) and the remainder of the room extends out from where our current living room is. so i guess the thinking with the windows is to accentuate the different areas by having 2 distinct styles. Maybe I am getting a little trigger happy with the designing though... 14 hours ago, Conor said: What slope is the roof? If needing more light I'd be putting skylights in, vertical light is more valuable then horizontal. We have ~3m celinings in part of our house and 2400mm head heights for all the doors and windows, looks just right. You need some symmetry and constancy. I havent quite worked this bit out just yet but will do very soon. Sky lights would be awesome though!!!! I have attached a new photo of the kind of idea I had with the windows right up to the ceiling... Here's also a sketch on paper of the left hand side of the room being a kitchen area and then the rest being general hang out quaters... Edited September 18, 2022 by erol_flow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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