SteamyTea Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Faz said: Party at Steamy Tea's house it is then! Meet you all at the Swordfish Inn. Only place to party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted December 16, 2021 Author Share Posted December 16, 2021 17 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: Meet you all at the Swordfish Inn. Only place to party. "Barkeep, a pint of Betty Stogs for my lover". "Coming right up". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 'ansum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 6 hours ago, SteamyTea said: 'ansum "Been Trevelyans smuggling since the glory days of Prussia Cove and it ain't just cigars. Booze, dirty playing cards marital aids of all shapes and tastes. I got a deal with a sex shop in Bodmin. Filthy bastards in Bodmin". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 54 minutes ago, Onoff said: Bodmin You gone Bodmin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 25 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: You gone Bodmin. I just had a bad education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 Roughly what's there now: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 On 15/12/2021 at 21:12, Gus Potter said: Put in a ridge beam to prevent the ridge from dropping and causing potential roof spread. I've already got a ridge beam, did you mean some collar ties? Ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 I keep staring at this picture: That is the adjacent terrace's chimney stack. The stacks project into the rooms of these house. Wondering if this loft space actually oversails / projects into nextdoor.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 48 minutes ago, Onoff said: Wondering if this loft space actually oversails / projects into nextdoor.... Then what are those blocks resting on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, joe90 said: Then what are those blocks resting on? Blocks? Edit: Sorry, you mean the Celcon. Good question. But in these terraces you have a fireplace with an alcove either side. I hope too they haven't taken the stacks out next door! Edited December 17, 2021 by Onoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Those “celcon” must be resting on the party wall. Why are you worried they have removed the stacks? Have you decided on floor make up yet? When I did my own loft conversion several houses ago to minimise floor height with an additional floor with joists I did as below (I can’t match your computer aided drawing ?♂️) my ceiling was lathe and plaster so I put 1” packers on the wall plate of the middle wall to rest the new joists on, then hang the other ends on joist hangers ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markc Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Onoff said: I keep staring at this picture: That is the adjacent terrace's chimney stack. The stacks project into the rooms of these house. Wondering if this loft space actually oversails / projects into nextdoor.... If the stacks project into the rooms and the blocks ARE on the party wall then the stack must be yours …. Or am I missing something 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, markc said: If the stacks project into the rooms and the blocks ARE on the party wall then the stack must be yours …. Or am I missing something My stacks are the loft hatch side. Almost as if that Celcon wall has been built too far to the left where I've shown the dotted lines. T = top landing below my loft hatch: I'll have to have a measure up! It's not as far fetched as it sound if the previous owners of my place wanted to gain a crafty foot of loft space. Next store is a derelict shop, has been for umpteen years. Can't imagine the loft was ever used. Bear in mind all these lofts were connected when originally built in the 1860s. The first one of these I bought years back, a kindly neighbour ran an extension lead from his place to mine via the loft hatches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Onoff said: Almost as if that Celcon wall has been built too far to the left where I've shown the dotted lines. But what are they built on? ?♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, joe90 said: But what are they built on? ?♂️ Don't know. I measured 3100mm wall to wall, think somewhere I have the room measurements I've suddenly remembered. As an aside, not tempting fate but there's plenty of instances in this type of house where the stacks have been removed downstairs but left in the loft still. Scary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Onoff said: somewhere I have the room measurements Just compare the roombelow it ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, joe90 said: Just compare the roombelow it ?♂️ That is the plan but I won't be able to get there now until the new year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 ? I'm a twat. I got disorientated in the loft. I was 180deg out. They're my stacks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 ...thought I was in another similar house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Onoff said: thought I was in another similar house. On 16/12/2021 at 16:08, SteamyTea said: Cannabis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted December 24, 2021 Author Share Posted December 24, 2021 Moving on... To keep the new platform from bearing on the existing roof structure, I thought to maybe add a couple of extra beams parallel to the binders sat in joist hangers sat in the stacks/wall. Then fit cross beams between them. (All shown in yellow). Then I thought maybe to bolt angles (yellow) to the opposing walls and run new beams (again yellow, only two shown) perpendicular to the existing ceiling rafters: I'll likely go with the second option but rather than fit angles (heavy and cost), fit a timber, then joist hangers on that. Someone elsewhere did suggest doing away with the angle or timber and fitting these directly to the end walls / stacks: Not sure of my ability though to put these direct onto the brick/block (possibly loose) wall keeping them all dead level and not hit a mortar joint etc. They also suggested using these to do it, which I've never used before: Hence my favoured idea is a timber on the wall first with bolts into the wall to miss the hangers that get nailed to the timber. Then to aim for this sort of structure adding timbers at the apex and new webs outside the platform area so I can get rid of the existing ones: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocster Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Onoff said: Moving on... To keep the new platform from bearing on the existing roof structure, I thought to maybe add a couple of extra beams parallel to the binders sat in joist hangers sat in the stacks/wall. Then fit cross beams between them. (All shown in yellow). Then I thought maybe to bolt angles (yellow) to the opposing walls and run new beams (again yellow, only two shown) perpendicular to the existing ceiling rafters: I'll likely go with the second option but rather than fit angles (heavy and cost), fit a timber, then joist hangers on that. Someone elsewhere did suggest doing away with the angle or timber and fitting these directly to the end walls / stacks: Not sure of my ability though to put these direct onto the brick/block (possibly loose) wall keeping them all dead level and not hit a mortar joint etc. They also suggested using these to do it, which I've never used before: Hence my favoured idea is a timber on the wall first with bolts into the wall to miss the hangers that get nailed to the timber. Then to aim for this sort of structure adding timbers at the apex and new webs outside the platform area so I can get rid of the existing ones: This going to be finished before Xmas ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpmiller Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 You'll need a chat with a SE about the truss mods. Btdt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted December 24, 2021 Author Share Posted December 24, 2021 2 hours ago, dpmiller said: You'll need a chat with a SE about the truss mods. Btdt... I won't take anything out then in that case, build the platform round the diagonals but not touching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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