Loft Storage

[SteamyTea]

2 hours ago, Faz said:

Party at Steamy Tea's house it is then!

Meet you all at the Swordfish Inn.

Only place to party.

[Onoff]

17 minutes ago, SteamyTea said:

Meet you all at the Swordfish Inn.

Only place to party.

 

"Barkeep, a pint of Betty Stogs for my lover".

"Coming right up".

[SteamyTea]

'ansum

[Onoff]

6 hours ago, SteamyTea said:

'ansum

 

"Been Trevelyans smuggling since the glory days of Prussia Cove and it ain't just cigars. Booze, dirty playing cards marital aids of all shapes and tastes.

I got a deal with a sex shop in Bodmin. Filthy bastards in Bodmin".

[SteamyTea]

54 minutes ago, Onoff said:

Bodmin

You gone Bodmin.

[Onoff]

25 minutes ago, SteamyTea said:

You gone Bodmin.

 

I just had a bad education.

[Onoff]

Roughly what's there now:

 

 

[Onoff]

On 15/12/2021 at 21:12, Gus Potter said:

Put in a ridge beam to prevent the ridge from dropping and causing potential roof spread.

 

I've already got a ridge beam, did you mean some collar ties? Ta.

[Onoff]

I keep staring at this picture:

 

 

That is the adjacent terrace's chimney stack. The stacks project into the rooms of these house. Wondering if this loft space actually oversails / projects into nextdoor....

[joe90]

48 minutes ago, Onoff said:

Wondering if this loft space actually oversails / projects into nextdoor....

Then what are those blocks resting on?

[Onoff]

1 minute ago, joe90 said:

Then what are those blocks resting on?

 

Blocks? 

 

Edit: Sorry, you mean the Celcon. Good question.

 

But in these terraces you have a fireplace with an alcove either side. 

 

I hope too they haven't taken the stacks out next door! 

Edited December 17, 2021 by Onoff

[joe90]

Those “celcon” must be resting on the party wall. Why are you worried they have removed the stacks? Have you decided on floor make up yet? When I did my own loft conversion several houses ago to minimise floor height with an additional floor with joists I did as below (I can’t match your computer aided drawing ?‍♂️) my ceiling was lathe and plaster so I put 1” packers  on the wall plate of the middle wall to rest the new joists on, then hang the other ends on joist hangers !

[markc]

1 hour ago, Onoff said:

I keep staring at this picture:

 

 

That is the adjacent terrace's chimney stack. The stacks project into the rooms of these house. Wondering if this loft space actually oversails / projects into nextdoor....

If the stacks project into the rooms and the blocks ARE on the party wall then the stack must be yours …. Or am I missing something

[Onoff]

10 minutes ago, markc said:

If the stacks project into the rooms and the blocks ARE on the party wall then the stack must be yours …. Or am I missing something

 

My stacks are the loft hatch side.

 

Almost as if that Celcon wall has been built too far to the left where I've shown the dotted lines.

 

T = top landing below my loft hatch:

 

I'll have to have a measure up!

 

 

It's not as far fetched as it sound if the previous owners of my place wanted to gain a crafty foot of loft space. Next store is a derelict shop, has been for umpteen years. Can't imagine the loft was ever used. Bear in mind all these lofts were connected when originally built in the 1860s.

 

The first one of these I bought years back, a kindly neighbour ran an extension lead from his place to mine via the loft hatches! 

[joe90]

1 hour ago, Onoff said:

Almost as if that Celcon wall has been built too far to the left where I've shown the dotted lines.

But what are they built on? ?‍♂️

[Onoff]

8 minutes ago, joe90 said:

But what are they built on? ?‍♂️

 

Don't know. I measured 3100mm wall to wall, think somewhere I have the room measurements I've suddenly remembered.

 

As an aside, not tempting fate but there's plenty of instances in this type of house where the stacks have been removed downstairs but left in the loft still. Scary!

[joe90]

3 minutes ago, Onoff said:

somewhere I have the room measurements

Just compare the roombelow it ?‍♂️

[Onoff]

3 minutes ago, joe90 said:

Just compare the roombelow it ?‍♂️

 

That is the plan but I won't be able to get there now until the new year. 

[Onoff]

? I'm a twat. I got disorientated in the loft. I was 180deg out. They're my stacks!

[Onoff]

...thought I was in another similar house.

[SteamyTea]

4 hours ago, Onoff said:

thought I was in another similar house.

  

On 16/12/2021 at 16:08, SteamyTea said:

Cannabis

 

[Onoff]

Moving on...

 

To keep the new platform from bearing on the existing roof structure, I thought to maybe add a couple of extra beams parallel to the binders sat in joist hangers sat in the stacks/wall. Then fit cross beams between them. (All shown in yellow).

 

 

 

Then I thought maybe to bolt angles (yellow) to the opposing walls and run new beams (again yellow, only two shown) perpendicular to the existing ceiling rafters:

 

I'll likely go with the second option but rather than fit angles (heavy and cost), fit a timber, then joist hangers on that.

 

Someone elsewhere did suggest doing away with the angle or timber and fitting these directly to the end walls / stacks:

 

 

Not sure of my ability though to put these direct onto the brick/block (possibly loose) wall keeping them all dead level and not hit a mortar joint etc.

 

They also suggested using these to do it, which I've never used before:

 

Hence my favoured idea is a timber on the wall first with bolts into the wall to miss the hangers that get nailed to the timber.

 

Then to aim for this sort of structure adding timbers at the apex and new webs outside the platform area so I can get rid of the existing ones:

 

 

 

 

[Pocster]

1 hour ago, Onoff said:

Moving on...

 

To keep the new platform from bearing on the existing roof structure, I thought to maybe add a couple of extra beams parallel to the binders sat in joist hangers sat in the stacks/wall. Then fit cross beams between them. (All shown in yellow).

 

 

 

Then I thought maybe to bolt angles (yellow) to the opposing walls and run new beams (again yellow, only two shown) perpendicular to the existing ceiling rafters:

 

I'll likely go with the second option but rather than fit angles (heavy and cost), fit a timber, then joist hangers on that.

 

Someone elsewhere did suggest doing away with the angle or timber and fitting these directly to the end walls / stacks:

 

 

Not sure of my ability though to put these direct onto the brick/block (possibly loose) wall keeping them all dead level and not hit a mortar joint etc.

 

They also suggested using these to do it, which I've never used before:

 

Hence my favoured idea is a timber on the wall first with bolts into the wall to miss the hangers that get nailed to the timber.

 

Then to aim for this sort of structure adding timbers at the apex and new webs outside the platform area so I can get rid of the existing ones:

 

 

 

 

This going to be finished before Xmas ? ?

[dpmiller]

You'll need a chat with a SE about the truss mods. Btdt...

[Onoff]

2 hours ago, dpmiller said:

You'll need a chat with a SE about the truss mods. Btdt...

 

I won't take anything out then in that case, build the platform round the diagonals but not touching.