MAB Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) "A semi-detached show-home on the outskirts of Gateshead may seem an unlikely location for a technology revolution. But when this outwardly unremarkable looking building opens its doors in the coming weeks, it will mark a key moment in the UK’s accelerating transition to a zero-carbon economy. When the programme began, it was as much about ruling out hydrogen as an option as anything else, but as the project team worked its way through key questions on everything from the feasibility of hydrogen appliances to public acceptance, the case for putting the gas at the heart of the UK’s energy transition grew stronger. “As the programme’s progressed we’ve discovered everything is feasible and found a way over various hurdles.” “Everyone’s beginning to realise this really could be a very real possibility.” One of the keys to this has been the input from some of the biggest names in domestic heating, including the UK’s market leading boiler manufacturer Worcester Bosch, which has developed a prototype hydrogen-ready boiler that’s about to be put through its paces in a series of major trials. Worcester Bosch CEO Carl Arntzen told The Engineer that when the company began seriously looking into hydrogen around five years ago, it set out to answer two key questions: can it be safely burned in a domestic boiler, and is it possible to make a hydrogen boiler that’s the same size as an existing system? Artntzen’s team began by looking at what the differences between hydrogen and natural gas might mean in terms of engineering fundamentals. An early win was the realisation that hydrogen and natural gas have a broadly similar Wobbe index. This is a measure of the amount of heat energy within a given volume of gas. Artnzen explained that whilst hydrogen has a lower calorific value than natural gas, its density is much greater, meaning the same volumes of hydrogen and natural gas will give roughly the same heat energy. This provided early confidence that not only could a hydrogen boiler be physically the same size (and therefore wouldn’t require future customers to reconfigure their homes) but that it would also be compatible with the existing gas network. “The size of the existing gas network is roughly OK and supplies the same amount of energy whether you supply 100 percent natural gas or 100 per cent hydrogen,” he said. Nevertheless, the properties of hydrogen did present a number of engineering challenges. For instance, it has a much faster flame speed when compared to natural gas which, said Arntzen, created some initial challenges around how to control the combustion process. The team also encountered some early problems with “flashback”, a result of both the flame speed and shorter flame height of hydrogen. “The ignition was lighting the fuel upstream of the burner so we were getting a backfire,” he explained. “It was perfectly safe but of course your boiler going bang every few minutes is not really desirable!” Both of these findings prompted a redesign of the burner face to more effectively manage the flow of the gas within the appliance. Another key challenge was around monitoring and controlling the flame. Whilst existing domestic boilers sense the presence of a flame by detecting the electric current generated by carbon molecules within the gas, the absence of carbon molecules in hydrogen meant they had to look at different solutions for flame detection. At this point, said Arntzen, it became clear that it wouldn’t be possible to simply convert existing gas boilers to run on hydrogen, and the concept of a hydrogen-ready boiler was born, a system that would initially run on natural gas but which could be switched over to hydrogen with a minimum of fuss. “It goes into your house and burns natural gas, then, four or five years after you have it installed when you get notified that your area is going to be converted to hydrogen we come back in, quickly change a few components, and that boiler’s ready to burn hydrogen.” The Full Article can be read here:- https://www.theengineer.co.uk/low-carbon-engineering-hydrogen-home/ (The posted readers comments after the 'Engineer magazine' article are not quite so positive....) Edited June 15, 2021 by MAB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 58 minutes ago, MAB said: It goes into your house and burns natural gas, then, four or five years after you have it installed when you get notified that your area is going to be converted to hydrogen we come back in, quickly change a few components, and that boiler’s ready to burn hydrogen.” I am old enough, just, to remember the conversion from town gas to natural gas, and recall that our converted boiler was never quite right and it was not long before it was replaced with a new one. My late Father in Law was involved in that process as an engineer, but his role was converting large industrial uses of gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, ProDave said: I am old enough, just, to remember the conversion from town gas to natural gas, and recall that our converted boiler was never quite right and it was not long before it was replaced with a new one. My late Father in Law was involved in that process as an engineer, but his role was converting large industrial uses of gas. My Father was an electrical engineer and helped convert High Wycombe from DC to AC, then, 40 years later in his career, was a Project Manager on the gas plants on the East Coast of Scotland. We had out house converted to 'North Sea Gas', but we were living abroad at the time, but do remember a man coming over to 'change the jets'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Why would we put in new combustion boilers if we do go down the hydrogen path, why not fuel cells. Then run a HP or just simple resistance heating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash_scotland88 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 SGN are installing a hydrogen network to run in parrellel with the gas network in a Fife town called Leven. I believe home owners get free connection, parts changed and charged at normal gas rate as part of the experiment. It's interesting stuff, but I wonder if we could top up ours cars from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbouk Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Following with interest. We really need the infrastructure in place, but it is a classic chicken and egg situation at the moment.. Have a hydrogen fueled car and using it in the South West is a challenge to say the least. Refuelling at a hydrogen supplied home would be great, but the pressure at which the gas is pumped into the cars tank is immense and requires significant pressuriisation, see the refuelling gauge below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 56 minutes ago, Jimbouk said: Have a hydrogen fueled car and using it in the South West is a challenge to say the least. Bit sparse west of Swindon isn't it. I think they have missed the boat with FCEVs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 How a HRS works https://h2me.eu/about/how-an-hrs-works/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_L Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 @MAB et al, - 2017 Off-grid hydrogen home - https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/true-pioneer-goes-off-grid-michael-jensen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 4 hours ago, A_L said: @MAB et al, - 2017 Off-grid hydrogen home - https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/true-pioneer-goes-off-grid-michael-jensen Not very good efficiency is it. 5.5 kWh in, 1.5 kWh out in electricity and the same in thermal energy. And that is before the space it takes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbouk Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 @SteamyTea your map does not lie have Hyundai Nexo, really clever tech. Just wish it had a charger hybrid style battery, even one with a 50 mile battery range, would make it a sensible proposition. When we ordered it there was talk of more stations, COVID has only slowed that. Heyho joy of being an early adopter;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 35 minutes ago, Jimbouk said: @SteamyTea your map does not lie have Hyundai Nexo, really clever tech. Just wish it had a charger hybrid style battery, even one with a 50 mile battery range, would make it a sensible proposition. When we ordered it there was talk of more stations, COVID has only slowed that. Heyho joy of being an early adopter;) I followed James May's trials and tribulation of owing the Toyota FCEV. He still has his Tesla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbouk Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 15 hours ago, SteamyTea said: I followed James May's trials and tribulation of owing the Toyota FCEV. He still has his Tesla. As do I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Jimbouk said: As do I Follow JDM or have a Tesla? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbouk Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Sorry for.being ambiguous. Both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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