Dreadnaught Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 I just heard from Idealcombi that it is possible to order my front door without any handle or lock. Idealcombi's standard look is an oval one common in Denmark but harder to get in the UK and so getting keys might be a problem. Furthermore, if I ever wanted to replace the lock with, for example, a smart lock then it might be impossible. Could anyone foresee any problems adding my own handle and lock to such a flush-panel door? What are the common locks used in the UK? Would fitting a Euro cylinder barrel lock be a sensible idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 The issue I see is if you order the door without a lock, you will be left with an oval shaped hole for which you cannot find a lock that fits into it. Ask them if they will do one with a Eurolock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnaught Posted September 3, 2020 Author Share Posted September 3, 2020 Thanks @ProDave. Idealcombi says the door without the lock would be completely blank, no oval-shaped hole. They said "the flush panel door can be supplied ‘on hinges only’ and then the door won’t have any holes for cylinder – just clear flush panel door + frame." I did indeed ask about the Eurolock but sadly not possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Dreadnaught said: Idealcombi's standard look is an oval one common in Denmark but harder to get in the UK and so getting keys might be a problem. Furthermore, if I ever wanted to replace the lock with, for example, a smart lock then it might be impossible. not sure why you are struggling as these are pretty common units - Locks Online sell replacement cylinders for about £20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_r_sole Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Does it not have the three/five point locking mechanism on the door? And would supplying it without security measures have any impact with building control? (I know doors here should be PAS24 rated or secure by design off the top of my head) But you'd imagine that the whole locking mechanism would then have to be added which can add a bit of cost! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtop Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 cant see why this is an issue at all TBH. We have just received our front door from howdans and they come as standard with no lock, or hole for the lock (we also ordered the lock, hinge, etc we wanted). Frame, door and locks will be fitted and all's good. Cant ever see how BC would know or care if the door was supplied without the lock pre-fitted. Lock / hinges have the relevant security marks, so alls good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnaught Posted September 3, 2020 Author Share Posted September 3, 2020 Thanks all. @PeterW, as I am learning, Scandinavian oval-profile locks are slightly larger than standard UK oval ones (20mm vs 18mm). You can indeed get Scandinavian oval-profile locks here in the UK (for about £50) but they are rare in the UK. Moreover oval-profile locks in general are less common globally, which means smart locks are not usually made to fit them. @the_r_sole, thanks. Good points about multi-point & security. @redtop, thanks. Good to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Ok so you’re talking about ASSA profile locks - just search for those as they are common. https://www.ironmongerydirect.co.uk/search?query=scandinavian+cylinders&fi=p Also, if you order the blank only you will struggle to fit a multipoint system to that on site - they are factory fit and need routing jigs to fit and I would not like to try without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtop Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 1 minute ago, PeterW said: Ok so you’re talking about ASSA profile locks - just search for those as they are common. https://www.ironmongerydirect.co.uk/search?query=scandinavian+cylinders&fi=p Also, if you order the blank only you will struggle to fit a multipoint system to that on site - they are factory fit and need routing jigs to fit and I would not like to try without. agree that would be really difficult. we have gone with a standard mortice lock due to being in the middle of our own 2 acre site so the main security are the access gates, not the front door. Also really really crap access helps deter thieves lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_r_sole Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 have you ever had a door lock fail on you? I'm not sure how much of a worry it really is? More often than not you can find replacement keys for any lock, and it's not that regular an occurrence to be replacing the locking cylinders? Maybe you could ask ideal combi to add a couple to your order and then you've got some redundancy built in? I'd certainly want a factory finished item with all the right eurocode's/BS and warranty etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnaught Posted September 3, 2020 Author Share Posted September 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, the_r_sole said: have you ever had a door lock fail on you? I'm not sure how much of a worry it really is? Actually that main motivation is regarding installing a smart lock in the future and for which having an uncommon lock-type will be a hinderance. Good points all, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_r_sole Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Dreadnaught said: Actually that main motivation is regarding installing a smart lock in the future and for which having an uncommon lock-type will be a hinderance. Good points all, thank you! If you figure out how do get a smart lock to drive a multipoint locking mechanism I'd be interested to know what/how! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnaught Posted September 3, 2020 Author Share Posted September 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, the_r_sole said: If you figure out how do get a smart lock to drive a multipoint locking mechanism I'd be interested to know what/how! Good point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_r_sole Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, Dreadnaught said: Good point! I looked into it for a little bit as I'd really like to get a smart lock for my house (rationel front door) but there didn't seem to be any easy solutions to have one which could open and lock a mechanism like that (you know where you have to lift the handle upwards to engage the locks and seals properly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, the_r_sole said: If you figure out how do get a smart lock to drive a multipoint locking mechanism I'd be interested to know what/how! I have a 3 point motorised lock and Videx door entry. I guess there may be a way of adding remote access. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnaught Posted September 3, 2020 Author Share Posted September 3, 2020 @the_r_sole, did you look at this one: https://www.aviasmart.com/choose-a-product/avia-secure-smart-lock/. Seems to suggest it can work multipoint locking doors. Here is a YouTube video showing installation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_r_sole Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 13 minutes ago, Dreadnaught said: @the_r_sole, did you look at this one: https://www.aviasmart.com/choose-a-product/avia-secure-smart-lock/. Seems to suggest it can work multipoint locking doors. Here is a YouTube video showing installation. Hadn't seen that before, £350 tho, I'm far too tight/poor for that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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