PeterW Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Amateur bob said: the existing pipe may be 20mm but i can put a t piece with a bigger size on it so i can run a 32mm pipe from that to the plot? no... and no... fluid dynamics says your pressure would be appalling doing that. Find the meter, get a new dedicated connection, and do it properly so you have no problems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) @Amateur bob might be a good idea to measure the water pressure and flow rate at the trough, if it’s good enough then bobs your uncle (pun intended) ?.if not new pipe back to meter on your land (decent size) you can do all the work and no road crossings to cost a lot. Edited October 16, 2019 by joe90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, Amateur bob said: the existing pipe may be 20mm but i can put a t piece with a bigger size on it so i can run a 32mm pipe from that to the plot? will look ok at inspection --but flow will not be good and an accumulator and pump could be £1200-- so better to get it right first time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, PeterW said: no... and no... fluid dynamics says your pressure would be appalling doing that. Find the meter, get a new dedicated connection, and do it properly so you have no problems. spot on -- and i would run 50mm or 63mm if a long way -- mdpe pipe is cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur bob Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 hours ago, scottishjohn said: spot on -- and i would run 50mm or 63mm if a long way -- mdpe pipe is cheap the pressure at the steading is very high its a dream when pressure washing sheds etc compared to our other steading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur bob Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 hours ago, joe90 said: @Amateur bob might be a good idea to measure the water pressure and flow rate at the trough, if it’s good enough then bobs your uncle (pun intended) ?.if not new pipe back to meter on your land (decent size) you can do all the work and no road crossings to cost a lot. the pressure at the steading is very high its a dream when pressure washing sheds etc compared to our other steading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur bob Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 hours ago, PeterW said: no... and no... fluid dynamics says your pressure would be appalling doing that. Find the meter, get a new dedicated connection, and do it properly so you have no problems. the pressure at the steading is very high its a dream when pressure washing sheds etc compared to our other steading, the metre is at the bottom of a neighbours field and 400 ish metres away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur bob Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 hours ago, joe90 said: @Amateur bob might be a good idea to measure the water pressure and flow rate at the trough, if it’s good enough then bobs your uncle (pun intended) ?.if not new pipe back to meter on your land (decent size) you can do all the work and no road crossings to cost a lot. the pressure at the steading is very high its a dream when pressure washing sheds etc compared to our other steading, will building control come and check the depth and connection of my pipe or can i just get the pipe laid, filled in and push on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, Amateur bob said: the pressure at the steading is very high its a dream when pressure washing sheds etc compared to our other steading Sorry I meant pressure and flow at the trough, if it’s good enough you could extend it to the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur bob Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, joe90 said: Sorry I meant pressure and flow at the trough, if it’s good enough you could extend it to the site. yes great pressure at water trough, blue plastic pipe running up to it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) and when in the future you come to sell the house or the farm --maybe you got a problem cos its not got its own services or water supply -- Do it right now and if when your parents die -- and there is an argument in the will etc and you have no wayleave for your water supply to your house over that land -- more problems same goes for road access do it right now Edited October 16, 2019 by scottishjohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, scottishjohn said: and when in the future you come to sell the house or the farm --maybe you got a problem cos its not got its own services or water supply -- Do it right now This can be a real PITA to resolve on sale. We bought a house without realising that it shared the electricity, water and sewage arrangements with a small carpenter's workshop that was next door. Because of the way the pipes and cables ran it would have been a nightmare to give the workshop it's own services. It wasn't picked up before purchase; we only spotted it when we noticed that the electricity bill seemed high. I found an odd looking armoured cable in the garage, coming from our supply, and just isolated it, as I couldn't see where it went. Next thing I knew was that I had the landlady who owned the (rented out) workshop knocking on our door to ask why I'd turned her power off. I agree to fit a meter to her supply, and charge her for the electricity her tenant used, which was sort of OK. The ultimate fix was that we bought the workshop from her a year or so later, so the problem went away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur bob Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, scottishjohn said: and when in the future you come to sell the house or the farm --maybe you got a problem cos its not got its own services or water supply -- Do it right now and if when your parents die -- and there is an argument in the will etc and you have no wayleave for your water supply to your house over that land -- more problems same goes for road access do it right now if i ever sell it can i not just do it then or add a metre?, running a plastic pipe from shed to plot could be done in a morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Amateur bob said: if i ever sell it can i not just do it then or add a metre?, running a plastic pipe from shed to plot could be done in a morning you mean a mtere that you will then charge the new owenr for the water i would not buy a house with that agreement --you might change your mind and cut me off who knows how friendly you will be with the people in the farm by then . I am sorry but i am stopping replying to this thread you seem determined to make problems for your self in the future ,by being so penny pinching now the plot needs to be a separate title and defined boundaries to the farm ,with its own access and services --anything else is just asking for problems time passes and peole especially relatives can do funny things you have no RIGHT in law to a wayleave for services,its an agreement --so get it sorted out now 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 48 minutes ago, scottishjohn said: you mean a mtere that you will then charge the new owenr for the water i would not buy a house with that agreement --you might change your mind and cut me off who knows how friendly you will be with the people in the farm by then . I am sorry but i am stopping replying to this thread you seem determined to make problems for your self in the future ,by being so penny pinching now the plot needs to be a separate title and defined boundaries to the farm ,with its own access and services --anything else is just asking for problems time passes and peole especially relatives can do funny things you have no RIGHT in law to a wayleave for services,its an agreement --so get it sorted out now Some people just like asking the same question over and over again expecting a different answer, unwilling to take advice that members have spent time giving. I seem to remember several threads about building a house for 1000m2 that went nowhere for weeks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtop Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 38 minutes ago, Alex C said: Some people just like asking the same question over and over again expecting a different answer, unwilling to take advice that members have spent time giving. I seem to remember several threads about building a house for 1000m2 that went nowhere for weeks. our house will be less than £1000m2. its 165m sq, so 165K budget. So far spent £25k on groundworks, £22k on steel, £7k on concrete pile caps, £7k on services and house to watertight is £80k. so around 19k left for 1st fix, 2nd fix, bathrooms, kitchen, doors, flooring, etc. I have informed the wife we don't actually need doors, electrics, flooring, a kitchen and can use a portaloo to make sure we come within budget. Not going well ? . Seriously, it will end up costing around £250k ish when complete which, given the extensive groundworks and piling foundations that were needed, will be fine. And yes this thread is going nowhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur bob Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 i apologise if its not good reading but im at the early stages and just looking into how to go about things, i appreciate all the feedback thanks everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur bob Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, redtop said: our house will be less than £1000m2. its 165m sq, so 165K budget. So far spent £25k on groundworks, £22k on steel, £7k on concrete pile caps, £7k on services and house to watertight is £80k. so around 19k left for 1st fix, 2nd fix, bathrooms, kitchen, doors, flooring, etc. I have informed the wife we don't actually need doors, electrics, flooring, a kitchen and can use a portaloo to make sure we come within budget. Not going well ? . Seriously, it will end up costing around £250k ish when complete which, given the extensive groundworks and piling foundations that were needed, will be fine. And yes this thread is going nowhere what was the issue with the groundworks?25k not too bad for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur bob Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 progress with the electric estimate today, a strange quote though as ive been given a range The likely connection charge is anticipated to be in the range of £3,500.00 to £9,500.00, which are for indicative purposes only and does not constitute an offer of terms by Scottish and Southern Electricity Networks. The lower range is based on Scottish Hydro Electric Power Distribution plc providing 1x supply at 1 phase (minimum load) for the entire development based on customer carrying out all excavations on site. The higher range is based on Scottish Hydro Electric Power Distribution plc providing 1x supply at 1 phase and upgrading the existing transformer to accommodate new load request (based on 100amp supply) on site, based on customer carrying out all excavations on site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 assume you will need and upgraded transformer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur bob Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 minute ago, scottishjohn said: assume you will need and upgraded transformer just to be safe with budget or is it a likely scenario? for some reason in the quote theyve sent me the cable runs from a pole towards my plot but stops about 30m short of my plot, do i run a seperate cable from there to the house myself or is it more likely an error theyve made? i marked clearly on the map exactly where house plot would be, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Amateur bob said: just to be safe with budget or is it a likely scenario? for some reason in the quote theyve sent me the cable runs from a pole towards my plot but stops about 30m short of my plot, do i run a seperate cable from there to the house myself or is it more likely an error theyve made? i marked clearly on the map exactly where house plot would be, thanks! i would happily have you a bet that when they come to do it --they will decide it would be good if you paid to renew their old transformer . LOL so yes take the higher quote as being the right one --only good news if its the lower one the last distance i am guessing they will want you to supply a ducting for the cable that can be replaced later ,if needed without having to dig up anything-- last 20m always has to be ducted on any supply If you know where and what why not get an actual quote that is fixed for 6 months If that is not inside new house then you will need to make a meter house for them and then you run from that to your house Edited October 25, 2019 by scottishjohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishjohn Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 with proper quote you will get a plan that looks like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur bob Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, scottishjohn said: with proper quote you will get a plan that looks like this what are points 3 and 4 on the map? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur bob Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 heres the quote sent back, ive put a red cross where the plot will be, they rectangle with red circle is where elec company have quoted to run cable to for some reason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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