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Excellent points both. ProDave: I am guessing that your domestic hot water is electric. ScottishJohn: we are considering the 600 th stone walls to be an extravagant weather-skin, much thicker than brick. Then we have a timber water and heat tight shell inside. the room widths become rather narrow but we are working on optimising that. The steading unusually has 4 sides so the floor space is quite large still, and the roof truss bottom chords are a good metre above eaves so this helps. Your mentioning the constant dampness of the stone is interesting. I think it must be less damp then brickwork because of the density and large proportion of stone as compared to brick and mortar. But we still must keep it out, and I think a breather membrane is to be preferred to a complete barrier. Yes french drains will help, ( I think a rubble drain was built as standard along the walls, but that is well blocked by muck now.) A proper gutter and drain system, instead of being chucked on the ground will help most. As a consultant or builder, yes I would tell any prospective client that it is cheaper to start again. As an owner, we will treasure the history, put in lots of time at no charge, and do the best we can. It is the unknown unknowns that are the biggest concern. Re damp, much as I prefer rockwool to celotex, the latter is waterproof and an additional barrier to damp, and air. I am comfortable with the theory, but there will be specifics for steadings that a) work well b) satisfy the inspector. If only I could see other warrant applications it would be easy. Both: do you know any clever way to Slap openings without the walls crumbling or, at least, being angled back excessively? we will minimise this but will be at least 2 windows required. I am thinking, do one side of an opening at a time and immediately rebuild the jamb in stone/block/brick. Perhaps use props and strongboys both inside and out. Then once the 2 sides are formed there is still a lintel to do, so do one out and one in, and never make a complete hole. Someone has done this before though, maybe a better way. Saw cut? Its great to have your advice. Tell me when you have had enough from me. I plan to do my bit for the website in answering other queries where I can add expertise. (Fire, drainage, sustainability without gimmicks). Seeing someone plan to spread intumescent paint as far as the tin would go concerned me yesterday, so I jumped in there.

Intumescent paint is tricky. There is a calculation to tell you how thick it has to be, and it likely requires several coats on these steels. Then it gets a seal coat on top. £60 does not do it. The building inspector should ask to see the calculations, and also check the thickness applied. So for this little job it is not worth the hassle. Plasterboard is easy and fool proof. In most cases you can use one layer of the pink fireboard or 2 layers of normal plasterboard. The latter is handy because any tricky/ untidy cuts in the first layer get covered by the second. It can all be calculated, but the BI is likely to accept either PB suggestion, and rightly so. If the BI does not know this, perhaps just do what he expects and use pink. There is very little chance of fire melting the steel from above, but you might as well do what is expected and box the steels. You can make a support of timber on or within the steel, to which the board is screwed, as that is automatically protected too.

Interesting, thanks. So the ASHP runs as standard, and slightly undersized, and the WBS is used when necessary for room heat Is that a wood-burner with back boiler, or a plant-room burner? logs/ chips/ pellets? What about hot water? I agree re noise, and it can be screened to some extent. I have been designing buildings for decades and had not heard of decrement. Reading to be done. Seems complicated, linking U value and thermal mass. Perhaps more important in hot countries, keeping heat out? I like rock / earth wool when it is the waterproof type as it fills voids tightly, whereas foam board is a bit approximate. Survey only by my daughter and her husband so far. Lots of photos and videos for me, and they knew what I needed to see from a joint inspection of a similar building. I am a Chartered Civil Engineer, and have been contractor for 30 years. Also we have done up 4 places before, so know the pitfalls, or some of them. Will need to see it all close up, and soon. Agreed re the floor and not digging. Would not want to undermine in the slightest. The floor is concrete, fairly modern and flat and clean. Therefore it will be left in place in lieu of hardcore, then dpm, ins and screed on top. Plenty headroom, and we could always trade off an inch or so of insulation and put it elsewhere: but I think it is ok for 4 metric inches. Will have to cut in locally for drains, and burrow under the walls.. I have read blogs where people have been told to break up the concrete and then put down stone. A lack of understanding or thought by the designer (?) not the Building inspector's problem, and the poor owner does as told. Not with my money you don't. Money, complete lack of sustainable thought, and unnecessary risk to the building. I was hoping to see more stone buildings in this hub, as there will be a lot of scope for not reinventing the wheel. For example, in one blog , I learnt to stick on bituthene to the bottom 1m of the wall, linked to the dpm...what a good idea, and probably standard. It's great that you, and others, run this hub. Oh one more thing. for a laser survey to produce a 3d drawing. In expensive Kent we pay about £600 to £800 but up your way it is over £2,000! Is that just lack of competition. We will get the tapes and level out. Thanks again. don't feel you have to answer all the above! Para 1 I'd like to know though.

Hello all. we are awaiting legal completion, so excuse lack of address and details for now. It is not superstition, but experience. Highland will do for now, and it is quite big. I am juggling my own experience in commercial projects with the more relevant experiences in your projects. Conversion of farm steading, not new, but will be airtight and well insulated. question 1 space and water heating. My thoughts are to use ground or air source heating but also have oil or propane as security, and as best capital outlay value. Plus a wood burner. I feel that most of you are going for AS with perhaps electric backup. in commercial buildings i have specified and used AS many times, but never GS as the ground is heavy clay where we live. AS is noisy though. And solar panels? I think underfloor is a given for a new floor, which we would have. I'd love to hear your opinions. question 2. rock wool or foam board in the walls and roof (see how I am avoiding trade names)? I was tending towards foam to keep it skinny, but I like good quality rockwool, and see it on some project photos here. thanks

Hi, I am new so excuse if this is too late for you. btw I have already learnt a lot from your and other helpful messages about farm conversion. I know about new construction in England, not renovation in Scotland. In situ or beam and block floor? I would say in situ is more controllable, cheaper and more adaptable to change and penetrations. Beam and block is useful if on a big slope as the sleeper walls bring you cheaply and reliably to level. also handy for tricky locations where you can carry all the parts, but couldn't get a lorry. also depends on the dimensions as to how long the spans are and the number of sleeper walls. From looking at some other projects online, I have been shocked at some people breaking out concrete slabs then laying stone instead. If there is a slab or stone at the right level, then this will be another plus for in-situ. Insulation. I tend to go for default air pressure figure, simply to save the cost of the test. Correct me if I am wrong , but for a conversion are we not obliged only to do the best we can? 'Reasonably practicable' having regard to circumstances including cost. Obviously we want to save energy, and do what we can with insulation, but trading the elements is also allowed.

Looking forward to discussions and knowledge exchange with you all. It seems like a very practical and helpful Hub. I am particularly interested in the conversion of steadings, but have a lot to learn. I have extensive knowledge and experience as designer and contractor, but in England, newbuild, commercial. However this project will be private, renovation, Scotland, so I have a lot to learn.