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If he responds... 😉 They were very carefully crafted questions that make it difficult to respond in a wooly way that would be open to further interpretation, and he'll know exactly why I'm asking them! I have the details of what will almost certainly be my MP, as well as the details for the Green Councillor that covers the area where I currently live in Worcester, and the Conservative Councillor (who also happens to be chair of the Planning Committee) for the area that covers the plot. I intend to write to all of them to a) explain how a very sustainable development has already been refused on grounds of sustainability (!!) and b) to ask for support for any subsequent application. As you rightly note though, they're likely very busy right now so it's on my list of things to do in the coming weeks/months and possibly after engaging a planning consultant (feelers out to one of the best ones in our area right now).

The Local Plan is the 2016 version currently, so considerably out of date. Although the formation of the new Local Plan is at the Regulation 19 Stage, the Inspectors have asked for so many clarifications and additional evidence that it's looking like it won't be in place until at least early 2025. I did provide some input but to be honest, unless you are a powerful group (i.e. large developers, housing associations, government functions, etc.) the commentary is pretty much brushed aside and changes aren't made. It is comforting that the Inspectors are giving the LPA a tough time though. 😉

Reminds me somewhat of a tweet that caught my eye yesterday. "If you aren't willing to look like a foolish beginner, you'll never become a graceful master."

I'm certain they will be when we get to the other reserved matters, but for the initial outline application with only access as a reserved matter, I don't think they can add anything to be honest.

Exactly this. *VERY* expensive approach and they'll look at the various Acts and Written Ministerial Statements, and not specifically the NPPF which simply advises on how policy should be applied. As mentioned previously, this is sort of the developing plan, albeit an outline application with some matters reserved and just covering access to keep the architect costs out of the equation until we have secured permission.

I work for a Global IT Service Provider so I've been using AI for some time, and even though I say it myself, I'm pretty good at working through questions and spotting the (sometimes) flawed responses. 😉 I have numerous references to the various documents in my Statement of Case. The problem is that they are often very much open to interpretation. For example, the 5km distance that seems to be acceptable in relation to cycling is almost universally agreed upon and can't really be argued with. However, as another example, the NPPF in Appendix 2: Glossary says the following; So *any* efficient, safe and accessible means of transport, *including* those mentioned. Paragraph 109 says the following; So the second sentence *should* ONLY be applicable to "Significant development" and yet is universally applied almost always to ALL development. Equally, if we just consider the five examples of sustainable transport modes from the Glossary, from an English language perspective, only providing one would not present a choice. But two (or more) presents a choice. So even if we accept the error of applying that to development that is not "Significant" I should only need to show I can meet at least two (which I do). Even so, the application and appeal were refused solely on the grounds of sustainable transport... 😞 The issue is always that it is a planning judgement, that the rules are not binary, and hence, unfortunately, it very much depends on the views of the individual. I am 100% certain that had my Inspector been someone else, the result may have been different too. If you @ToughButterCup or anyone else is interested in reviewing the various documents and offering any insight either here, or by personal message or email (if you think it is sensitive), I'm more than happy to send the links.

I'm with you 100%. Also part of my appeal Statement of Case; So my Local Authority themselves estimate that in less than six years, a third of the vehicles on their roads will be ultra low or zero emission. When you also consider the location, size of plot, potential value of house to be built etc., the odds of any future occupants driving an old, dirty, petrol or diesel car start to drop quite considerably from a demographic perspective. Whilst I'm frustrated that the Inspector seems to have disregarded much of the information I provided, it is nonetheless very heartening to have the support and bewilderment of the buildhub community to console me... 🤗❤️

I think it's slightly worse than that because they are also arguing about the lack of control of choices of "future occupiers" in the context of a market housing development when, as a self-build, I *am* the future occupier!! 🤪

Seems you're not allowed to include an EV as a sustainable transport choice (despite ultra low and zero emission vehicles being listed as one of the five sustainable transport modes in the NPPF) as you can't force people to use one, and if you accepted that they were a sustainable transport choice, that would make *any* site sustainable. Can't force someone to use a bike either but cycling is accepted... The whole point is that you do things to encourage use. Local policy says I *have* to include secure cycle storage in any development proposal to encourage the use of a bike. BRegs now require you to fit an electric car charger for the same reasons. My argument was that not only was I planning for two 22kW chargers, but that I'd also be generating more energy than the primary demand of the dwelling, and hence there were not only environmental incentives but also financial incentives to use an EV (and of course I'll owned and driven one for over 4 years). Deaf ears.

The appeal was filed on 28 July 2023, and decided on 24 June 2024, so 10 months and 27 days.

Agreed. It's a catch 22 though. Council removes funding for rural bus routes because the volume of users doesn't make them economically viable, in essence, then preventing development due to lack of sustainable transport choice. Ironically, this is the wording in our Local Plan...

Thank you. That's the plan, although I've also asked a few specific policy questions of the Head of Planning as a precursor so I am 100% clear on how the LPA would interpret some fundamental wording.

- 20A and 355 Bus Stops – 1.3km (0.8 miles) - Droitwich Spa Train Station – 2.6km (1.6 miles) Unfortunately, the Inspector commented "I am also not persuaded that occupiers would prefer cycle-bus and cycle-train travel options, over the convenience of vehicle related trips. In particular, for day to day requirements." As far as I can tell, what the LPA Officer and the Inspector appear to be implying is that unless you can walk to a bus stop or to local services, it's not sustainable because people will prefer using a car.

The BCO is correct. Building Regulations Approved Document B, specifically Appendix C.

No need Mike! I think I've already mentioned it somewhere but there's a bridleway that skirts the development and joins National Route 46 of the National Cycle Network. This route down to St Michael's Church leads onto the very same Copcut Lane. Despite an unaccompanied site visit by the Inspector, he commented "Even so, I have limited details of the quality of these cycle routes." It really makes very little sense to me I have to be honest... 😞 Bridleway in purple... Just for a laugh, let me note that there have been no recorded cycle accidents for at least the last 10 years on the A4133 from the exit of the development until a cycle lane begins on the Ombersley Way - a distance of less than 1 km. Considering the following graphic is also *only* people who record their journeys on Strava, you can also see it's pretty well used as a route into Droitwich (even more so than the bridleway or indeed the private access road which some scoundrels seem to also make use of) 😉 Isochrones map of 5 km journey reach - the whole of Droitwich Spa is accessible; Distances to various local services and facilities; - St Michaels Church – 1.0km (0.6 miles) - Droitwich Community Woods – 1.0km (0.6 miles) - 20A and 355 Bus Stops – 1.3km (0.8 miles) - National Route 46 of the National Cycle Network – 1.5km (0.9 miles) - Chawson Barn Community Centre – 1.5km (0.9 miles) - SPA Convenience Store – 2.0km (1.2 miles) - Droitwich Spa Leisure Centre – 2.0km (1.2 miles) - St Josephs Catholic Primary School – 2.0km (1.2 miles) - Droitwich Spa High School and Sixth Form – 2.0km (1.2 miles) - Westacre Middle School – 2.1km (1.3 miles) - Droitwich Spa Train Station – 2.6km (1.6 miles) - ALDI Supermarket – 2.7km (1.7 miles) - LIDL Supermarket – 2.7km (1.7 miles) - Spa Medical Practice – 2.9km (1.8 miles) - Morrisons Supermarket – 2.9km (1.8 miles) - Droitwich Spa Hospital – 3.4km (2.1 miles)

Did that. Previous similar appeals in less ideal situations that had been successful were included, as well as case law, and examples of where LPA Planning Officers had determined similar cases in a more positive way. The Inspector's response was "The appellant has also referred me to the assessment by Officers of other proposals. Even so, I am not bound by these decisions. Irrespective, each proposal is considered on its own merits as is the case here. It is for the decision maker in each case to undertake the planning balancing exercise." The landowners have tonight confirmed that they are happy for me to continue to seek planning approval, so let's see what happens this coming week in the election and then in the weeks after that as the new planning policy becomes clearer.

We're currently tied to the area as we are primary carers for my 80-year old mother. I'd be more than happy to move otherwise. Ironically, I work almost exclusively from home as much of my contact is with distributed teams, often in other countries. As a consequence, I can pretty much work from anywhere. Indeed, I left the house for work less than 15 times in 2023!

Same here. But due to the lack of a demonstrable 5-year housing supply, the "tilted balance" is applied and everything is essentially then weighed as a whole. There should be a high bar for refusal here. It is not enough for there to be some harm or negative effects, or for a scheme to be less than ideal. The harm must be significant and demonstrable. In this circumstance, if the sustainability of accessing the site is all about carbon emissions (i.e. the hierarchy of walk, cycle, public transport, etc.), then demonstrating that the building will more than offset any emissions coming from any transport choices made in accessing the site should surely discount that harm being significant? At least, that's my view.

You are allowed to put numbers. It's all a learning game, Mike. If I make another submission, I'll include hard numbers. In my first submission, I honestly didn't think I needed to spell out the transport options available. After all, you don't *need* to include any commentary with an application for PIP. Even though I did, again, I didn't expect that I'd have to spell things out in quite so much detail to the people whose job it is to be professional planners. You live and learn...

I'd hope so. I was fairly explicit... 😉

Thanks Kelvin. It is a special place. I'm 55 next year and in a good financial position so we'd sort of convinced ourselves that if the appeal wasn't successful we'd give up on the self-build dream and I'd just take early retirement; maybe find somewhere for a deep retrofit. But the day after we found out we'd lost the appeal, we lost my father-in-law only five weeks after he was diagnosed unexpectedly with Stage 4 Pancreatic Cancer. He was 77 and before the diagnosis, was in good health and enjoying his life. It sort of puts a lot of things into perspective and I'm not sure I could restart the whole "find a plot" thing again.

100% - I digested a lot of planning appeals for research and preparation and IMHO, most of the decisions were correct and the Inspectors were not biased towards agreeing with the planners. Unfortunately, there are always outliers. I'm pretty good at looking at things objectively and I just can't find it in me to give the Inspector in my case the benefit of the doubt; I do believe he was not only wrong in his conclusion, but included observations and assumptions that he should not have done, some of which were completely wrong. On another day with another Inspector I'm sure it would have flown through. BUT, as I mentioned earlier, in a back-handed way, looking at it dispassionately and objectively, I do think he gave me a clue as to how I might be successful - i.e. that he couldn't condition certain elements of the scheme to ensure they would happen and so couldn't really attribute a significant weighting to them in the planning balance. Those things *can* be conditioned in other application approaches such as outline planning, and so the same scheme may well be approved with conditions following such a route. After all (and here's another great statistic for those who may find themselves in the same boat, and one I've only very recently researched ready for the potential next application), an average car in the UK emits approximately 1,394Kg of CO2 per year based on average emissions of 211.2 g/mile and an average mileage of 6,600 miles. A Passivhaus Plus dwelling emits 1,810Kg of CO2 per year *LESS* than a dwelling built to Building Regs 2021 SAP 10.2, and those savings are *LOCKED IN* year after year. So my scheme would still be emitting 416Kg of CO2 per year less even if I wasn't using a zero emission, battery electric car as I have been for the last four and a half years... 😉

Do you have some suggestions? Is it best to get someone who is used to dealing with a particular LPA or just the best at what they do?

Incidentally, I did actually point out that my appeal was not in relation to 'significant development' in my statement of case, but the Inspector seems to have disregarded it... Oh, and did I mention my LPA can't demonstrate a 5-year housing supply... 😲

Probably. I am wary as I can clearly see evidence of good and bad consultants, and it's often not clear who, in a particular consultancy, is responsible for various responses. I'll maybe interview some when my plan moves forward a little. I already have previous appeals as reference that specifically mention "Significant" in the context of rural development and sustainable transport; example, for 20 residential dwellings (in 2022) - "In addition to the above, I would add that Paragraph 105 of the Framework states that 'significant development should be focussed on locations which are or can be made sustainable' and 'opportunities to maximise sustainable transport solutions will vary between urban and rural areas, and this should be taken into account in both plan-making and decision-making'. In my judgement, the proposal does not quite meet the threshold for being 'significant' development..." So 20 residential dwellings doesn't meet the threshold for 'significant' according to that Inspector. This is the problem, they're applying their own judgement and so you can't get consistency and can only challenge an appeal on the grounds of law, not of judgement.