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Double the price. Intolerant of any small gaps in the shuttering. Can't pour it on slopes. That's my understanding of the down sides. Everything else seems better.
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Target U-values… Cost/benefit sense check… What am I missing? 🤷🏻♂️
Iceverge replied to fatgus's topic in Heat Insulation
They do an option for Softwood stick builds too. Something like an 8*2 won't actually carry much more heat than an I joist. Espically if you add a cross battened insulated internal service cavity. Run it through uBakus to compare. Agreed fire is a concern. Would something like cereal fiber cement be an option? An layer of Rockwool Frontrock outside the OSB sheathing would protect from a fire in the cavity. -
UFH - validate my thinking plus some questions
Iceverge replied to Bigdeadbadger's topic in Underfloor Heating
Out of interest if we were to switch to an ASHP at stores 50deg 300l would only store about 7kWh. We'd need daytime dearer electric to top up. That would leave 7kWh heated at 13c/kWh at a COP OF 2.5 = 37c 2kWh @ 24c/kWh @ COP of 2.5 = 19c Total 56c/Day. Vs €1.17 now. 61c/day saving and an ESHP is about €2400. Payback would take over 10 years by which time I would worry the ESHP may need replacing . Just like when we built I don't think there's a case for a heat pump for DHW alone when you can avail of reasonable night rate electric. -
UFH - validate my thinking plus some questions
Iceverge replied to Bigdeadbadger's topic in Underfloor Heating
300l direct UVC here. 2x 3kW immersion. Water stored at 70deg on TOU tarriffs. Does a family of 5 ok. Can store 14kWh before the tap water gets cool. We use 9kWh daily for 5 in the house. Need to run it an extra hour in the evening if inlaws stay. Annual cost is €420. -
Nice. There's a residential and residential lite. Is the upgrade worth it for an extra €15/month?
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Target U-values… Cost/benefit sense check… What am I missing? 🤷🏻♂️
Iceverge replied to fatgus's topic in Heat Insulation
I would go for an as designed and as built U value of 0.2W/m2K. Otherwise you'll be charged for 0.13 and not see the benefit. I prattle on about U values as much as anyone else here but there's other fish to fry. Noise and Fire etc. I would disregard anything with PIR between the studs in these grounds alone. Likewise triple gasketed 3g glazing is important for noise and thermal comfort. Have you priced stick build? Pump it with cellulose and you get the best of a lot of worlds. -
Pour concrete around it. It'll last for a century. One caveat, I would be worried about vibrations being transferred directly from the concrete into the pipe or if the slab settled it could crack the pipe. To avoid this I would excavate and consolidate well under the pipe. Wrap the length under the concrete in some pipe installation. And maybe include some mesh bridging over the top.
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UFH - validate my thinking plus some questions
Iceverge replied to Bigdeadbadger's topic in Underfloor Heating
Don't bother with a boiler or ASHP and get Aerobarrier instead. Find £100 for a willis heater and a 3Kw Immersion for now. Gather data for a year or two and then fit the exact ASHP that suits your house. You can also bide your time on eBay and display models this way and pick up a bargain. -
Our 5g supplier has decided to pull their service. We have a fixed antenna on the wall outside with a Cat6 to the router. Would this cable do for starlink or is it a special one?
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That's a mistake you make once. After dealing with a load of concrete drying in the wrong place once you learn to be robust with the drivers re waiting times and putting down their phone and backing the lorry up a few more ft to exactly where you need it.
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I must admit it does look good. Mentioning of twice the material price in some places though. @Oz07 any insight here? @lizzieuk1 maybe if you had a sheet of polythene inside the EPS and really boulstered up the shuttering at the outside you could get the SE on board. From what I read it's every bit as strong as normal concrete. Self build is where we push the envelope after all!!
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I did a bit of reading. It's apparently very sensitive to getting the slump exactly correct. Small variations of temp can make it difficult to work. Also because it's so runny you need to hermetically seal the EPS or you'll have leaks of watery cement paste and it'll make the concrete crumbly. Normal concrete seems a better fit.
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I don't think the caution urged is anything against the SCC. More so DIYing an insulated slab without an experienced crew. I've never used it but it sounds ideal for pouring inside rising walls as a subfloor for example.
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Target U-values… Cost/benefit sense check… What am I missing? 🤷🏻♂️
Iceverge replied to fatgus's topic in Heat Insulation
From my understanding the applied fools don't last as long. Ligter colours suffer less thermal exoasuand contraction too. -
Target U-values… Cost/benefit sense check… What am I missing? 🤷🏻♂️
Iceverge replied to fatgus's topic in Heat Insulation
Different profiles and hard ware and quality of assembly make a big difference. -
Not exactly. Its more important to ensure no direct air paths through the structure (airtightness) and avoiding interstatial condensation by stacking layers of low permeability materials. In your initial suggestions it was a recipie for trouble with VCL, layers of foil faced PIR, OSB and steel. Wait what's that noise......gold clubs being thrust into the back of a BMW x3.......... Ray bans and newly whitened teeth shining from behind the wheel......... It's the Kingspan salesman off on another holiday. He's on the midday jet2 from EastMids to Faro. He'll be on the course for a quick 9 before sunset. "Thanks again Architect for being too lazy to do any due diligence on my helpful book of detail I left on your desk" he'll say raising a glass of sparkling rose in salute.
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There's no easy life with concrete and it takes skill to get it right. As much as plastering a wall in my view. Can you access good contractors for it, it's a real mess when it goes wrong as @Gone West can attest to?
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I feel a 40 page bin location design statement AI written coming on. Either that or go on the planning portal and copy and paste someone else's.
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U Balkus only takes a static shot of the situation at one temperature. -5 outside (you can change this). Unless you live in Baffin Island this weather is unlightly. If you raise the external temperature to something positive you'll see the condensation risk disappears. As long as you don't have to raise it too high, say much above 7 to 8 deg your wall will be drying for more of the year than wetting and it'll be fine. Remember diffusion is only a tiny part of how water makes it way into the wall. Air leaks through bad airtightness are far more significant. Pay attention to external driven rain on old buildings too. Something like a Auto Brick oil will repel water without compromising the walls ability to dry out.
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Iceverge replied to fatgus's topic in Heat Insulation
What they really mean is we don't want to have a house that looks like this,(because there may be poor people inside). What a bunch of snobs they are. White uPvc looks just fine if appropriate care is taken of the proportions of the windows. It's amazingly durable if you get good stuff. I don't know what the aluminum adds really. That's ours below. White T+T Veka Softline 82. White uPvc fascia and soffit and black guttering and down pipes whilst we're at it. -
Passive house Shepards hut ?
Iceverge replied to Waterworks's topic in Energy Efficient & Sustainable Design Concepts
I assumed there was no mains electric but a £10 fan heater would be fine if there was. I have a 2m mini office. Good airtightness, 0.23W/m²K walls and 1W/m² 2G doors and a 3G window. dMEV. Average U value of 0.35W/m²K. Once it's up to temp a couple of hundred Watts keeps it cosy. -
Passive house Shepards hut ?
Iceverge replied to Waterworks's topic in Energy Efficient & Sustainable Design Concepts
A hut probably has a surface area of 30m². Assume it has 50mm of PIR it will end up with an average U value of 1 W/m²K including bridging and windows. At -5 it will need 750w. The smallest timber stove is about 4kW so you'll quickly overheat. A campervan type diesel heater would be more comfortable. -
Or a cheapo dMEV fan with humidistat if MVHR isn't in budget or feasible.
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Target U-values… Cost/benefit sense check… What am I missing? 🤷🏻♂️
Iceverge replied to fatgus's topic in Heat Insulation
Good on you for doing the sums. They're the only place which hides the truth, forget payback times like @JohnMo says. Think thermal comfort. Once you get anywhere near Bregs airtightness and thermal bridging become massively more important than U values. Detailed excellently a 0.3 U value house would be very nice to live in. As for the windows why not PVC? https://sbwgroup.co.uk/products/veka-softline-82-md/ These are the same as ours (Different installer).They've been excellent. €16k inc VAT for 32m² of glazing in 2020. Gealan, kommerling, rehau and Internorm all do high quality units.im sure there's more, just avoid the cheap crap.
