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Week 8 - And pause... or not.


Last week our timber frame structure shot up.  This week was supposed to be the second week of a two-week frame installation but the team finished on Tuesday, having worked through the weekend.  And off they went, but not before I persuaded them to stand still for 30 seconds for a snap for posterity.  So here they are: Brandon, Jake and Callum - Great work guys!

 

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Their early finish allowed our chippie Alan to press on with the 18mm ply required over the roof for the zinc roofing.  60+ sheets of 18mm class-3 exterior ply were put up amazingly quickly by Alan with a bit of assistance from his pals on a couple of days. 

 

The only lifting gear on site at present is a Genie lift we bought, guessing it would come in useful, and Alan made great use of it to create a novel “Ply Sheet Lift 'n' Slide Sledge”. 

 

I pointed out to him that I’ll be patenting that idea, since all intellectual property rights obviously sit with us as site owners.  He seemed unbothered.

 

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Next week Alan is away on hols (not in my plan, are you sure Alan?!).  Thus we were going to have a quiet week which I labelled ‘contingency’ to make it sound more important. 

 

But Brian from Wessex Metal Roofing phoned me today (yep, Sunday) and asked if they can start the zinc roof a week early... “Oh, go on then.”  So off we go again - more fridge-stocking required!

 

Timber frame details

Last week I promised to say some more about the frame structure, so at the risk of boring those not wrestling with the same choices we faced,t here’s some more detail (skip to the 'And finally...' section if you’re not interested):

 

We decided early on that we wanted a factory-built SIPS or insulated Timber Frame structure.  We’d used SIPS on our previous house with positive results.   I contacted a dozen or so companies and received quotes from eight companies for supply and installation of the insulated structure: four SIPS companies and four Timber Frame.  The price range was surprising: the most expensive was 240% the price of the cheapest.  Of course each quote had a slightly different scope but factoring in the work we’d need to do to get them all to the same level of insulation and airtightness, the price range was still over 200%.

 

In the end, shortlisted Turner Timber Frames, whose price was near the lower end but leaving us with a fair bit to do once the structure was up, and MBC who unsurprisingly were at the top end for an impressive approach and structure.  After talking it through with Geoff our architect, he agreed with us that the price difference was so big it was hard to justify the MBC approach.  Therefore we opted for Turners… And they have been really great to work with throughout.   

 

Matt, their Timber Frame Manager, has been very helpful and responsive.  Their price has not gone up at all as we moved from initial quote through to signed-off design (in fact they came in below their initial estimates for steels and crane hire).  They kept to the agreed timescales.  Their sub-contracted installation team were really good, as previously noted.  The quality of the frame appears very good to my untrained eye… and Alan our chippie seems impressed as well.

 

The structure we bought is Turner’s Super Advanced timber frame: 140 × 38mm studs at 600mm centres with 9mm OSB sheathing and a breather membrane on the outside.  The pre-fitted insulation is 120mm PIR and it fits really precisely everywhere.  We opted for an additional 50mm PIR inside to give us a wall u-value of 0.13, recognising that in so doing that we had to fit the VCL, 50mm PIR, and 25mm service cavity battens ourselves (though all are supplied by Turners as part of the package).  Some other frame or SIPS suppliers do all that for you, but at a cost.   

 

What you see in the pictures is the frame before we fit the VCL and additional insulation - I think you can see how tight that pre-fitted insulation is - it’s really very snug all round.  I was worried we might have gaps to fill but there are none.

 

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The roof is open-web 254mm Easi-joist rafters with 11mm OSB, which we paid Turners an agreed addition to have their installation team cover with breather membrane and vertical 50mm battens to create the ventilation space we need for our zinc roof.  Turner’s approach means we have no unsightly purlins to interfere with our vaulted ceilings.  But the roof does present a challenge for insulation.  We decided to opt for blown cellulose within the roof space which should fill the open web joists, plus 100mm PIR below the ceiling, to get to a u=-value of 0.09.  It meant we had to find someone to fit the VCL below rafters and make it airtight  (see below). 

 

We also have to fill in all the roof perimeter gaps to stop the cellulose blowing out, and we have volunteered Alan for that.  He’s delighted (I assume).

 

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We always knew the blown cellulose was going to cost a fair bit.  J W Insulation from Halstead in Essex came in with a good price and are lined up to do the work w/c 4th August.  Before that we need the VCL membrane fixed the roof.  In the end we decided that a specialist company would be best for fitting the ceiling VCL, the airtight wall membranes, and additional internal insulation.  We have South West Insulating from Redruth coming along from 28th July to do that work. 

 

So we have a busy few weeks ahead - I am hoping all that activity meshes together and the various teams don’t get in each other’s way (and the drinks fridge is big enough!).

 

 

And finally (for this week)…

 

Frustratingly, despite the frame being up for a week now, as a wheelchair user with a 300mm high perimeter foundation wall to get over I have not been able to see inside. 

 

Until today…

 

Although I promised Mrs P. that this build would involve no heavy lifting or lugging on our (i.e. her) part, today she has been heroically moving pallets, ply sheets, and 4m scaffold boards into place, which we have screwed together make a wheelchair ramp!  So today for the first time we could both enjoy the shape of our new house from inside.

 

And we love it! 

 

It's impossible to capture in photos but we are both really pleased with how it feels, the room sizes, the vaulted ceilings, the overall layout… everything.  Which is just as well really as it’s a bit late to change the design now 🙂

 

 

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BotusBuild

Posted

That is looking very nice indeed and I can imagine why you are so pleased

SteamyTea

Posted

"We have South West Insulating from Redruth coming along from 28th July to do that work."

 

Say to them "Welly Dogs".

They should laugh.

mjc55

Posted

Brilliant progress again, you must be so pleased at the way things are going.

saveasteading

Posted

14 minutes ago, SteamyTea said:

Say to them "Welly Dogs".

They should laugh.

Is that the SW term for Wallie Dug ?   

SteamyTea

Posted

1 hour ago, saveasteading said:

Is that the SW term for Wallie Dug ?   

No.  It is unique to Redruth about some public art.

 

garrymartin

Posted

3 hours ago, Russell griffiths said:

That plywood lifter is genius. 👍👍

+1 very clever

Nickfromwales

Posted

Looks a very neat job done by very conscientious workers.

 

And kudos to the 1-man ply-boarding machine...top guy.

Benpointer

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2 hours ago, Nickfromwales said:

Looks a very neat job done by very conscientious workers.

 

And kudos to the 1-man ply-boarding machine...top guy.

He's a very clever guy.  Like so many good trades people, he very inventive and has a great eye for what looks right and what will work.  

 

We're very lucky to have him.

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Gus Potter

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Looks good but get your SE to check this at you have two roof spans loading only two cripple studs at ground floor level.  The higher roof bears onto the upper steel which bears onto the lower steel. That load looks like it goes down a double cripple stud.. all probably fine until you get to the DPC level where the sole plate timber is now loaded perpendicular to the grain. 

 

If you work this out yourself and follow the loads you'll probably see why I'm asking the question. Once I see something like this.. which could be a basic SE failure it make me lose confidence in the rest of the design. I'm only looking at a photo but there is enough for me to ask.. is that OK?

 

It's up to you whether you take my advice or not but if it was my house better to ask a silly question!

 

You internal wall heights are significant, few nogging for stiffness.. what you have is outwith normal TF design parameters.. hope you have a good SE that has taken into account internal wind pressures and wall flexibility! 

 

 

 

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Benpointer

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16 hours ago, Gus Potter said:

Looks good but get your SE to check this at you have two roof spans loading only two cripple studs at ground floor level.  The higher roof bears onto the upper steel which bears onto the lower steel. That load looks like it goes down a double cripple stud.. all probably fine until you get to the DPC level where the sole plate timber is now loaded perpendicular to the grain. 

 

If you work this out yourself and follow the loads you'll probably see why I'm asking the question. Once I see something like this.. which could be a basic SE failure it make me lose confidence in the rest of the design. I'm only looking at a photo but there is enough for me to ask.. is that OK?

 

It's up to you whether you take my advice or not but if it was my house better to ask a silly question!

 

You internal wall heights are significant, few nogging for stiffness.. what you have is outwith normal TF design parameters.. hope you have a good SE that has taken into account internal wind pressures and wall flexibility! 

 

 

 

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Hi, thanks for raising this Gus - I have PMed you some more details just to check I am not misunderstanding your concern.

Benpointer

Posted

On 23/07/2025 at 17:45, Benpointer said:

Hi, thanks for raising this Gus - I have PMed you some more details just to check I am not misunderstanding your concern.

Just to add to this, an hopefully close it off...

 

Gus has not been around to answer my PM to him but we have now received the structural calculation pack by Paramount Structural Engineers - https://www.paramountse.co.uk.  Whilst the detailed calculations are rather impenetrable for me, I can see that they have based their calculations (including stud and sole plate loads, and wind loadings) on the design, as-built.  

 

The design itself has 3 cripple studs supporting each end of the lower steel with two further studs fixed alongside at each end to support the higher steel.  The walls either side have OSB racking on one face.  None of which was very clear in the photo I posted and Gus commented on.

 

Anyhow, I am happy the design is sound.  If we can't rely on the opinion of an established firm of SEs we are on very dodgy ground.

 

Thanks though to Gus for raising this.

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Nickfromwales

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Yes, I also looked at this and it appeared to be a thicker set of timbers for the lower cripple and a double aside those, but it was very difficult so see from the pic as it got blurry when I zoomed in so I just tried to scale-by-eye from the adjacent timbers. 

 

Glad it’s been clarified. 👍

Mr Punter

Posted

2 hours ago, Benpointer said:

OSB racking

 

It is quite surprising just how much a layer of 9mm OSB can stiffen and strengthen a stud wall.

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Benpointer

Posted

1 hour ago, Nickfromwales said:

Yes, I also looked at this and it appeared to be a thicker set of timbers for the lower cripple and a double aside those, but it was very difficult so see from the pic as it got blurry when I zoomed in so I just tried to scale-by-eye from the adjacent timbers. 

 

Glad it’s been clarified. 👍

 

Yes, the original photo wasn't easy to view at all.  Here's a (hopefully) better one of the base of one pier, OSB racking is on the far side.  

 

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