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OK  maybe me being thick 

to be clear the membrane is fixed directly to the wall 

all other studs etc which support the OSb  wall are on the dry side of the membrane  

maybe the picture

but is there a gap between the studs and membrane  or not 

could touching  the steel studs cause condensation to form  ?

every time i,ve seen these sort of barriers they do not touch anything but have an air gap  on the dry side of them,then the stud wall .

please correct me if i,m wrong 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Big Neil said:

Why aren't studs just box sections. Would they not be slightly stronger that way..

Yep a that would be great wouldn’t it .

You could leave with just a top and bottom track or fix with glypliner brackets aswell !

Yeah ! Why aren’t they boxed ? Cost I guess . Could screw 2 together ?

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15 minutes ago, scottishjohn said:

OK  maybe me being thick 

to be clear the membrane is fixed directly to the wall 

all other studs etc which support the OSb  wall are on the dry side of the membrane  

maybe the picture

but is there a gap between the studs and membrane  or not 

could touching  the steel studs cause condensation to form  ?

every time i,ve seen these sort of barriers they do not touch anything but have an air gap  on the dry side of them,then the stud wall .

please correct me if i,m wrong 

 

 

Yes there’s a gap . The membrane isn’t perfectly flat to the wall so you probably can’t see the gap .

gaps about 1.5 -> 2cm 

Theoretically all moisture should be only behind the dimpled membrane- that’s its purpose .

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Just now, pocster said:

Here

From this angle you can see the gap

 

 

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I guess you could argue that condensation could occur with the horizontal ceiling track against the concrete ! . There will be a suspended ceiling as well .

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If the damp outside of wall is colder than inside and something is touching, like metal  I think it  could  cause condensation on the metal ,like on inside of a single glazed window,

that why you need a gap  roomside  of the barrier ,so any  condensation on the barrier will hopefully be on the outside(damp ) where the drain channel is?

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Hi 

 

There would be no problem with condensation using Gypliner 

Its worth worth sealing the holes drilled and fixing with gypsum knockins They come in a orange nylon sleeve and will stop any moisture tracking through 

 

Normally when covering tanking we would use a foam backed board 

25 mil when space is tight 

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2 hours ago, nod said:

Hi 

 

There would be no problem with condensation using Gypliner 

Its worth worth sealing the holes drilled and fixing with gypsum knockins They come in a orange nylon sleeve and will stop any moisture tracking through 

 

Normally when covering tanking we would use a foam backed board 

25 mil when space is tight 

certainly foam backed drywall will stop heat /cold from transferring through as easily 

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11 minutes ago, scottishjohn said:

certainly foam backed drywall will stop heat /cold from transferring through as easily 

I’m confused here because apparently I could just put plasterboard up . Only adding the osb for a more solid structure.

Also if I used a different type of membrane you can apparently just render ontop of that !!

 

https://www.permagard.co.uk/newton-503-lath-clear-with-mesh-20m

 

 

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Just now, pocster said:

I’m confused here because apparently I could just put plasterboard up . Only adding the osb for a more solid structure.

foam backed plasterboard is pretty rigid  ,think you worrying too much about the flimsy studding --it gets stiff once you clad it -try a section and see,

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2 minutes ago, scottishjohn said:

foam backed plasterboard is pretty rigid  ,think you worrying too much about the flimsy studding --it gets stiff once you clad it -try a section and see,

So is osb ok with foam backed plasterboard ontop ok ?

Just want to get it right ?

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3 minutes ago, scottishjohn said:

I think @nod will think thats OTT

but if you do stager joints  just to be sure

Ok .

So I could just do osb with standard plasterboard on top ? . But then you’ve made me concerned about the lack of foam backing .... ??

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they are fexible until pb screwd to them and everything stiffens up. no-one is using it as everyone is still in the 50's and this is 'new' . guys up here rattle it up, don't bother with centres, approx 4/600 hit that with a few screws, place the edge stud, fix to pb and next sheet goes on. btw they're on about 2k a week for a semi skilled job. boring as hell but good money.

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You can set your struts at 400

and the wall will be very rigid 

As John has pointed out if you choose to use a insulation board you will have a very solid wall

Another option is a Sound moisture board Both options will be rock solid 

We normally site the brackets at 800 apart Closing this off to 600 again will make things more solid 

With this system you don’t have to use track

On refurbs it’s not always possible to get a good fixing 

 

Quivk tip for fixing the brackets is to use point tip pan heads  not self drillers as they work loose 

Most vids show the clips being bent back then fixed 

Ans easier way is set your laser and trim the brackets with your snid where the laser strikes 

That way when you are fixing you simply clamp to the edge of the strut 

 

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12 hours ago, nod said:

You can set your struts at 400

and the wall will be very rigid 

As John has pointed out if you choose to use a insulation board you will have a very solid wall

Another option is a Sound moisture board Both options will be rock solid 

We normally site the brackets at 800 apart Closing this off to 600 again will make things more solid 

With this system you don’t have to use track

On refurbs it’s not always possible to get a good fixing 

 

Quivk tip for fixing the brackets is to use point tip pan heads  not self drillers as they work loose 

Most vids show the clips being bent back then fixed 

Ans easier way is set your laser and trim the brackets with your snid where the laser strikes 

That way when you are fixing you simply clamp to the edge of the strut 

 

These are what I’ve been doing this morning 

A real simple system when space is tight 

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21 minutes ago, pocster said:

So i’ve Improvised a horizontal bit at the bottom just for peace of mind .

 

 

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You might get on better using a proper make blue drill instead of a yellow one...

 

:ph34r:

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Thanks 

This site has been stood foe 10 years 

All the pb and wiring has been rip out to reveal no fire protectection 

Poor airtightness 

So we are having to seal everything 

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Doing better today as I get used to it .

When screed is done and I have top and bottom track with no fixings to the wall - I can see it’ll be a breeze !

 

 

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10 minutes ago, pocster said:

Doing the returns 

Track now around the correct way . Improvised again for fixings !

Bit like mechano this stuff 

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As a DIYer would you go for this again in preference to timber studs?

 

Might be an option for me when I do the lounge / diner knock through. Was going to go timber but seeing this makes me think otherwise.

 

What's the cost like vs timber?

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