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Thoughts on a Filler product suitable against EPS


IanR

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There's been a little careless work around one of my thresholds and I've ended up with the EPS upstand getting chewed up where I need to fit a GRP capping piece.

 

To get the top of the EPS back to flat and smooth I need a Filler product of some sort that will fill up to 10mm - 15mm thick and obviously not react with the EPS.

 

Any thoughts on what I could use?

 

I'm assuming solvent based products risk melting the EPS, but am I being over-cautious? I'll obviously trial on an off-cut before putting anything onto my upstand, but was hoping to narrow the options a little.

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Some expanding foam squirted on immediately before fitting the GRP capping piece?

 

We are building with ICF, and expanding foam is almost a stock solution for gap filling and applications like you describe.

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You may benefit from using a low expansion ( LE ) foam. Don't forget to have some solvent gun cleaner to hand to clean any wet foam / overspill off. Do that immediately if required. 

Mask sensitive areas as the foam can expand and adhere to adjacent surfaces. Very hard to impossible to clean off certain things ;)

 

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Soudal Low Expansion Soudafoam, this one:

 

http://www.screwfix.com/p/soudal-soudafoam-expanding-foam-gun-grade-750ml/5026d?_requestid=448445

 

Make sure you get the Low Expansion one as they do a couple very similar looking.

 

I used it to fill gaps behind my EPS upstand where the wall tapered. Also used to fill in missing chunks of render, see by the old doorway on the left and across the back wall where the soil pipe was. I hoovered the area, sprayed it with water then foamed it. Once dry, sawed it level:

 

SAM_1513

 

It was JH put me onto Soudal products I think.

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A lot of my EPS upstands were held off the uneven walls against a long board in turn held in place by bricks/blocks. The low expansion foam was sprayed in to fill the  (wetted) gap. It's not strong enough to push the board out of place like the regular stuff does.

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I find the best products are the ones that allow compression once cured, e.g. Soudal Flexifoam or Everbuild Thermofoam. Both more expensive than others though. Has to be low expansion, and has to be applied with a gun.

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6 hours ago, Stones said:

My builder is currently using Everbuild Pinkgrip, but the main application it is being used for is part fixing EWI to the outer face of ICF blocks.  

 

Are you using a mechanical fix too?

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On 26 August 2016 at 19:04, Vijay said:

 

Are you using a mechanical fix too?

 

On 26 August 2016 at 12:14, Stones said:

My builder is currently using Everbuild Pinkgrip, but the main application it is being used for is part fixing EWI to the outer face of ICF blocks.  

 

"Part fixing" ;)  
EWI gets 'first' fixed with foam to deal with the undulations and provide a temporary bond. Non-metal fixings are then typically used to provide a secondary mechanical fix. Something I'm looking to do to the rear two walls of my ground floor bathroom ( block on flat ) before the winter kicks in. 

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7 hours ago, Nickfromwales said:

 

 

"Part fixing" ;)  
EWI gets 'first' fixed with foam to deal with the undulations and provide a temporary bond. Non-metal fixings are then typically used to provide a secondary mechanical fix. Something I'm looking to do to the rear two walls of my ground floor bathroom ( block on flat ) before the winter kicks in. 

 

Would you do this yourself? What thickness etc.

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Fit the EWI? Yes I'm looking to do it myself, as I don't like some of the jobs I've seen tbh. Poor detailing at the top and exposed sides so rain must be pouring through some of the worse ones. 

I put 30mm + 9.5 PB insulated boards on the inside face of the outside walls of the bathroom, and I'm considering a layer of 40 - 50mm EPS on the external wall to make up for the lack of cavity. I went block on flat as the original which I had to adhere to is 9" brick no cavity, and time was something I didn't have to look at other options so I just dug the raised ground level away from DPC level by a good 100+ mm and no issues so far other than a bit of cold bridging around the window which I think is because of the dry line adhesive. 

 

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2 hours ago, Nickfromwales said:

Fit the EWI? Yes I'm looking to do it myself, as I don't like some of the jobs I've seen tbh. Poor detailing at the top and exposed sides so rain must be pouring through some of the worse ones. 

I put 30mm + 9.5 PB insulated boards on the inside face of the outside walls of the bathroom, and I'm considering a layer of 40 - 50mm EPS on the external wall to make up for the lack of cavity. I went block on flat as the original which I had to adhere to is 9" brick no cavity, and time was something I didn't have to look at other options so I just dug the raised ground level away from DPC level by a good 100+ mm and no issues so far other than a bit of cold bridging around the window which I think is because of the dry line adhesive. 

 

 

Sounds like a parallel universe! The NE facing wall where I'm messing around with the drains is of mixed construction with a common, rendered face

 

- Front bedroom solid brick

- Bathroom breeze cavity

 

Even the render isn't uniform - one bits smooth the other looks like it's been stippled with the basket from a deep fat fryer! 

 

The bedroom has no wall insulation. The bathroom, the subject of the long running saga, is battened out with 2x2 and insulated between with a minimum of 50mm PIR. Each batten sits off the wall by 5mm minimum and is foamed behind the batten. The battening was mainly done to hide services and square the room up.

 

Hotch potch is the word! 

 

EWI across that back face seemed like a good idea.

 

EDIT: Have you DIY EWI supplier in mind?

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