Sticking Aerogel to steel

[Great_scot_selfbuild]

I am planning to fit a layer of 10mm aerogel to the outside of a steel column. Any recommendations on glue / other methods? (Please state if you’ve managed to do this before - my experience of contact adhesive is that it can behave very differently based on the material type and I’m not sure how well aerogel will take to it. 
 

https://www.buyinsulationonline.co.uk/product/spacetherm-aerogel-insulation?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22363171127&gbraid=0AAAAAolHs10y0c_FTCj4HYGnIHug1AoAk&gclid=CjwKCAjw6rfSBhAqEiwA_yocplauhT7e_l1Z4u49lcBwb0LQX6mldg5QaCV0ZC2lrjISc1cW3JRo5hoCFTQQAvD_BwE

[Conor]

I used foil faced aerogel, easier to work with and stick down. I think I used double sided tape.

[Great_scot_selfbuild]

1 minute ago, Conor said:

I used foil faced aerogel, easier to work with and stick down. I think I used double sided tape.

Thanks - was this internal or external? Do you mind sharing where you got it from?

[Conor]

Internal on painted steels. Not a clue where I got it from, was five years ago.

[Super_Paulie]

i used a spray contact adhesive on my internal upright, stuck no problem. 

[SteamyTea]

Lumberjack

 

[JohnMo]

Mine came with double sided tape. Although I actually upgraded most of it 25mm PIR in the end 

[Nickfromwales]

Just use XPS tile backer boards, ranging from 6,10,12.5,15,18,20,25mm and so on.

 

You need zero air convection behind this, so horizontal lines of adhesive as well as vertical. 

[Mulberry View]

19 hours ago, Great_scot_selfbuild said:

I am planning to fit a layer of 10mm aerogel to the outside of a steel column. Any recommendations on glue / other methods? (Please state if you’ve managed to do this before - my experience of contact adhesive is that it can behave very differently based on the material type and I’m not sure how well aerogel will take to it. 
 

https://www.buyinsulationonline.co.uk/product/spacetherm-aerogel-insulation?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22363171127&gbraid=0AAAAAolHs10y0c_FTCj4HYGnIHug1AoAk&gclid=CjwKCAjw6rfSBhAqEiwA_yocplauhT7e_l1Z4u49lcBwb0LQX6mldg5QaCV0ZC2lrjISc1cW3JRo5hoCFTQQAvD_BwE

 

It's dreadful stuff to work with. Do you have it yet? It emits a really weird powdery dust that feels horrible on your hands and that powderyness will stop anything reliably sticking to it. I used it to insulate the outer 2 faces of a pair of steel corner posts. The posts were onwardly flashed with an aluminium trim which would hold the insulation in place. I simply taped a breather membrane over the top of the Spacetherm, all the way round the post with foil tape to hold the insulation until the trim went on.

 

 

 

You'll struggle to adhere it in any meaningful way unless you buy their cold-bridging strips, which are enclosed in some sort of polythene and can then be glued/adhered to stuff.

 

As an aside, Proctor will deal directly with you and they were, for me at least, the cheapest source.

[SteamyTea]

Is it worth it, the k-value is not much better than PIR.

Spacetherm is not real aerogel, it is, as far as I know, fumed silica in a blanket.

[Redbeard]

1 minute ago, SteamyTea said:

Is it worth it, the k-value is not much better than PIR

 

Agreed. When Proctors started marketing it the stated lambda was 0.013.Over time it changed to 0.014 and then to 0.015W/mK, where I think it stands now. PIR 0.022 (some say 0.021) and phenolic 0.020 (some say 0.019). I have not looked at the price diff for some years but it used to be v considerable. Looks like 14mm of PIR will equate. I know you cannot get 14mm, but Celotex used to make 12mm. One source says they no longer make it and others say they do. One source refers to Xtratherm's 15mm board. I used to buy 2 sheets of 12mm at a time and the carriage exceeded the material cost!