A similar one I did a couple of decades ago in a slightly smaller space. Overall 1880 x 1920, with a 900 x 900 corner shower. It looks tight, but wasn't in practice.

 

2 hours ago, -rick- said:

Have you tried putting the sink against that wall instead of the toilet?

 

we really want the mirror above the sink so the window scuppers that one im afraid otherwise it would make life a lot easier.

 

 

1 hour ago, Nestor said:

I would try and max the shower base if possible, have you considered right hand offset tray?

 

Im not a fan of those rounded ones, think my gran had one so seems a bit old fashioned. The pentagon is interesting but ive no genuine experience of one.

 

1 hour ago, Mike said:

900 x 900 corner shower.

 

thats the size ive had on the design. Maybe im better clearing the room, and then dragging things in similar size to see how it works. Nothing seems to really hit the spot.

7 minutes ago, Super_Paulie said:

we really want the mirror above the sink so the window scuppers that one im afraid otherwise it would make life a lot easier.

 

Might require a bit of DIY or employing a carpenter but if you put the medicine cabinet to the side but the mirror front on sliding rails you could slide the mirror out to a central position for shaving/makeup/whatever when needed.

 

Edit: Or the inside of the door to have a mirror on it too and 180o hinges.

Edited May 18May 18 by -rick-

19 minutes ago, -rick- said:

 

Might require a bit of DIY or employing a carpenter but if you put the medicine cabinet to the side but the mirror front on sliding rails you could slide the mirror out to a central position for shaving/makeup/whatever when needed.

 

Edit: Or the inside of the door to have a mirror on it too and 180o hinges.

the room just doesnt warrant that kind of innovation!

I prefer the basin and toilet side by side with the toilet under the window and basin closer to the door. Seems to give a good clear shared area around washbasin and shower as you enter the room, aesthetically you then don't open the door to be presented with the toilet, mirror also available when you have stepped out of the shower.

Can the shower go long enough to be a walk in ?

Getting rid of those nooks on the end wall could lengthen the shower ?

Does the window open to help release the methane ?

 

Too many cooks probably. 

Love the renders - what are you using and does it take less than a huge number of hours to master ?

2 hours ago, Spinny said:

you then don't open the door to be presented with the toilet

+1 as an objective, but not always feasible in a small space.

23 hours ago, Spinny said:

Love the renders - what are you using and does it take less than a huge number of hours to master ?

i use Sketchup Pro and Chat GPT to render them as photo realistic. Works really well if your sketchup is decent to start with. There is a learning curve but i do it every day for work so its easy for myself. A few people at work couldnt get into it but its perfectly usable. It is license based though so it would cost ya.

 

Well i gutted the room last night, literally nothing in it. Tried all of the above iterations and ended up back to my original idea. A square shower just doesnt work, its too close to the door when you enter. If the toilet is on the same wall as the sink you are sat literally face to face with a shower panel, so that wont work either. Having the window where it is and the fact it faces out to the street (corner plot) leaves my options very limited.

The only thing that felt at least slightly right was the bog on the external wall at the back, a 1000x1000 pentagon shower (as it removes the front corner which is the problem) and the sink down this end. 

 

Edited May 19May 19 by Super_Paulie

Update to this. The missus tried a pentagon shower in the nearest bathroom store, hated it, even though she was insistent on it in theory. Back to the drawing board, so I'm looking at a 1000x800 rectangle Mira now, seems decent? Sick of my life with this, at least Sunderland got into Europe. (Door opening the wrong direction for some reason in the image below)

 

 

Edited May 30May 30 by Super_Paulie

2 hours ago, Super_Paulie said:

Update to this. The missus tried a pentagon shower in the nearest bathroom store, hated it, even though she was insistent on it in theory. Back to the drawing board, so I'm looking at a 1000x800 rectangle Mira now, seems decent? Sick of my life with this, at least Sunderland got into Europe. (Door opening the wrong direction for some reason in the image below)

 

 

Yay! Now I can say I hate the pentagon shaped pile-o-shart. 

 

Looking waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better, praise the fictional person in the sky.

32 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said:

Yay! Now I can say I hate the pentagon shaped pile-o-shart. 

 

Looking waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better, praise the fictional person in the sky.

 

Praise those big arsed ladies who can't fit into pentagon showers.

 

That's the danger of your missus being an Instagram obsessive. These fancy things look good on paper but not in reality.

Just now, Super_Paulie said:

Praise those big arsed ladies who can't fit into pentagon showers.

Great words, but probably your last ones.............

 

If we don't hear from you ever again, it's been emotional.

 

Social media is mostly folk living a plastic life, presented by liars or paid influencers who consume gullible folk to perpetuate their 'success'. Or 'tossers' as I call them.

In real life don't put your toilet that close to the wall, next time you're sat on your throne enjoying a quiet moment of reflection pay attention to how much space you actually need at the side.

1 hour ago, torre said:

In real life don't put your toilet that close to the wall, next time you're sat on your throne enjoying a quiet moment of reflection pay attention to how much space you actually need at the side.

 

Think the AI moves things slightly. The toilet I guess needs to be centered to the window for aesthetic reasons, think it was more like 20cm away in reality.

Turns out I'll have to run the first 1m in 40mm before upping to 50mm, just can't get the room. Not ideal but I assume this will be better than running it all in 40mm?

1 hour ago, Super_Paulie said:

Turns out I'll have to run the first 1m in 40mm before upping to 50mm, just can't get the room. Not ideal but I assume this will be better than running it all in 40mm?

Don’t do this, as you’ll be introducing a shoulder in the opposing flow. It’ll promote it blocking early.

 

How can’t you find another 10mm??

16 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said:

Don’t do this, as you’ll be introducing a shoulder in the opposing flow. It’ll promote it blocking early.

 

How can’t you find another 10mm??

 

I could, but I'd be losing more joist than I'm comfortable with... Or just cut the thing and move on? It's pretty much at the very end of the joist, bang up up the wall pocket where I'm cutting.

25 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said:

Don’t do this, as you’ll be introducing a shoulder in the opposing flow. It’ll promote it blocking early.

 

How can’t you find another 10mm??

 

I can do it, but for that last meter towards the trap my fall is only around 10mm. The rest of the run is a normal fall, 25mm a meter (or more) for 2m.

I am not sure of your setup but a raised tray can help if the fall is tight.  They can look fine and can allow better access.  Noggins or joist trimming may also be an option.

Scrub that, I can get an 18mm fall over 1m if I route out the underside of the chipboard floorb to accommodate the diminishing waste. The whole floor sinking onto the beam meant I needed to use full length shims to level it, meaning "I gained" 25mm (ish) on the ends of the joist to notch into. But even so I still had to go 30mm into the last joist when regs say 21 max. Nothing going in that corner so I'll take my chances, there are bigger notches all over this first floor from previous owners efforts.

 

@Mr Punter I'd prefer not to go that route if possible.

23 minutes ago, Super_Paulie said:

Scrub that, I can get an 18mm fall over 1m if I route out the underside of the chipboard floorb to accommodate the diminishing waste. The whole floor sinking onto the beam meant I needed to use full length shims to level it, meaning "I gained" 25mm (ish) on the ends of the joist to notch into. But even so I still had to go 30mm into the last joist when regs say 21 max. Nothing going in that corner so I'll take my chances, there are bigger notches all over this first floor from previous owners efforts.

 

@Mr Punter I'd prefer not to go that route if possible.

Are you allowing for the obligatory layer of plywood you'll need over the particle board (chipboard)? Is the board you have P5 / moisture resistant?

31 minutes ago, Mr Punter said:

I am not sure of your setup but a raised tray can help if the fall is tight.  They can look fine and can allow better access.  Noggins or joist trimming may also be an option.

They look horrible compared to a flush or low-profile tray. Yuk   

Just now, Nickfromwales said:

Are you allowing for the obligatory layer of plywood you'll need over the particle board (chipboard)? Is the board you have P5 / moisture resistant?

 

I'll be getting pretty much through the P5 by the time I get to near the trap but then I can step down to 40mm for that last 300mm which gains me back some height. I was then going to rely on the 6mm ply to bridge it over.

1 hour ago, Super_Paulie said:

 

I could, but I'd be losing more joist than I'm comfortable with... Or just cut the thing and move on? It's pretty much at the very end of the joist, bang up up the wall pocket where I'm cutting.

I try to get the 40mm as near to the shower trap as possible, often using a pair of M&F 45's to get the size drop just under the floorboards.

 

You losing another 5, 10, or even 15mm of joist will have zero consequence in the real world, but will make a big difference in how well the shower discharges.

1 minute ago, Super_Paulie said:

 

I'll be getting pretty much through the P5 by the time I get to near the trap but then I can step down to 40mm for that last 300mm which gains me back some height. I was then going to rely on the 6mm ply to bridge it over.

That's the norm in most instances, until the pipe fall naturally drops lower than the underside of the P5. You'll be fine to have such a small area missing.

Incredibly I've been able to do this. 18mm/m fall on that back wall, more like 25mm/m on the long run. Cut the stack down and add in the boss. Toilet branch to go above it and then another for the sink, all on their own branches. Beer time.

 

Edited June 13Jun 13 by Super_Paulie