Why we need "Net zero"

[Beelbeebub]

1 minute ago, Crofter said:

Good luck finding that level of analysis in the Daily Mail or GB News.

They will fix the energy security issue by stopping the small boats. 

 

They will fix the potholes in the roads by stopping the small boats. 

 

They will fix the cost of living crisis by stopping the small boats

 

They will fix the NHS by stopping the small boats 

 

They will lower taxes by stopping the small boats

 

They will ensure England win the world Cup by stopping the small boats. 

 

They will get rid of the itchy burning sensation between you toes by stopping the small boats. 

 

They will fix your leaky roof by stopping the small boats. 

[Oz07]

16 minutes ago, DamonHD said:

There is no need to be patronising - have I spoken to you that way?

 

I and a few others may just possibly have thought ahout this issue once or twice.

 

Soon all the fossil fuels have to go, or we wipe outselves out.  There's a famous quote similar to "Humans would be the first species to choose to make itself extinct because it wasn't cost effective to bother doing the right thing."

 

The sooner we stop dragging heels and at most use fossils ONLY as an emergency backstop the better.

 

Carping and delaying makes everything worse for everyone.

Sorry my reply wasn't aimed at you it was to the people who were telling me coal isn't secure. 

[Onoff]

28 minutes ago, Beelbeebub said:

They will fix the energy security issue by stopping the small boats. 

 

They will fix the potholes in the roads by stopping the small boats. 

 

They will fix the cost of living crisis by stopping the small boats

 

They will fix the NHS by stopping the small boats 

 

They will lower taxes by stopping the small boats

 

They will ensure England win the world Cup by stopping the small boats. 

 

They will get rid of the itchy burning sensation between you toes by stopping the small boats. 

 

They will fix your leaky roof by stopping the small boats. 

 

It's almost as if they're suggesting a lot of public funding issues are caused by uncontrolled immigration and the costs entailed supporting/dealing with it. Weird eh? 

[SteamyTea]

China gets a lot of coal from Australia.

About 85 million tonnes. Which, fascinatingly has increased by 50% since 2023.

Did they know something.

[Onoff]

7 minutes ago, SteamyTea said:

China gets a lot of coal from Australia.

About 85 million tonnes. Which, fascinatingly has increased by 50% since 2023.

Did they know something.

 

Australia has 160 billion tons of thereabouts of proven coal reserves. Reckon the Chinese will be running coal fired stations for a good while yet. 

[Beelbeebub]

11 minutes ago, Onoff said:

 

It's almost as if they're suggesting a lot of public funding issues are caused by uncontrolled immigration and the costs entailed supporting/dealing with it. Weird eh? 

Like all their arguments it's simplistic in the extreme and designed to appeal to people who can't or don't understand nuance or complication. 

 

The UK deficit is over 70bn

 

The total number of illegal arrivals is less than 50k.

 

So unless each one is costing us £1.4million it's not the answer. 

 

 

 

 

[Beelbeebub]

34 minutes ago, Oz07 said:

Sorry my reply wasn't aimed at you it was to the people who were telling me coal isn't secure. 

It's not that it isn't secure. It's that there isn't enough of it (besides all the other issues). Again, if we use coal to become energy independent we still have to electrify the economy (ev's heatpumps etc) and we have to rebuild lots of coal mines and coal plants. 

 

And then work out what to do 25 years later when the coal runs out

[Beelbeebub]

12 minutes ago, Onoff said:

 

Australia has 160 billion tons of thereabouts of proven coal reserves. Reckon the Chinese will be running coal fired stations for a good while yet. 

China is reducing imports. Their goal is energy security through independence. 

 

Being reliant on coal and imported coal at that, is counter to that aim. 

 

So they are increacing local production whilst reducing reliance on coal as a %of their mix. Given the size of China it's going to take a while but they are driving in the right direction. 

 

So is the UK to be fair.