Variation of Condition CIL form request

[flanagaj]

I submitted the VoC last week and today that have come back and requested I complete the CIL form again.  The question is not very clear and I am unsure whether I tick yes or no.  The internal floor area is not changing and it's some minor fenestration changes, reducing the driveway width.

Here are the questions

c) Does the application involve a change in the amount or use of new build development, where the total (including that previously granted planning permission) is over 100 square metres gross internal area? Yes No
d) Does the application involve a change in the amount of gross internal area where one or more new dwellings (including residential annexes) are to be created, either through new build or conversion (except the conversion of a single dwelling house into two or more separate dwellings with no additional gross internal area created)? Yes No

If you answered 'Yes' to either c) or d), please go to Question 5

I did tick No for both, but the wording of c is not very clear(not to me anyway).  I assume they want to know whether I have increased the m2 of the house?

[DevilDamo]

You need to answer it in conjunction with the previous CIL Form 1.

[Alan Ambrose]

I suspect the LPA just wants to be sure it’s getting the max charge due to any increase in area - as CIL is calculated as charge per m2 x area.

[flanagaj]

11 minutes ago, Alan Ambrose said:

I suspect the LPA just wants to be sure it’s getting the max charge due to any increase in area - as CIL is calculated as charge per m2 x area.

You think they would look at the submitted drawings and see that there is no change to the buildings proposed footprint.

[Alan Ambrose]

Ah, you’re not allowing for box-ticking processes and that junior staff are forbidden to use their own common-sense or judgement.

[Mr Punter]

1 hour ago, flanagaj said:

You think they would look at the submitted drawings and see that there is no change to the buildings proposed footprint.

 

I doubt the people checking the cil liabilities look at the plans, just the answers you put on the form.

[Big Jimbo]

I think some of them do. I underestimated the size of an existing building on a set of plans. The lovely CIL woman, said she could only work on the figures shown on the plans. Whatever you do, make sure you get it all sorted before you start, in order to avoid some big bill during the build.

[flanagaj]

4 hours ago, Big Jimbo said:

in order to avoid some big bill during the build.

That to me is disgraceful and I am surprised it's lawful.  If it's a self-build, then it's exempt.  Incorrectly completing a form, should not make CIL exemption null & void.  

[Alan Ambrose]

>>> I doubt the people checking the cil liabilities look at the plans, just the answers you put on the form.

 

Not convinced about that - I had some to-and-fro with my LPA's CIL people before we agreed on the number - there's some detail in the rules e.g. areas under stairs etc.