nod Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Just about to purchase four Geberit frames a systems the vary quite a bit in price duofix Sigma is there much difference between them Apart from price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Don't get the "basic" frames as the brackets to fix back to the wall are just bolt together metal brackets with elongated holes, quite shit tbh, instead of the better threaded arrangements with captive nuts and lock ring circlip type nuts which keep things from moving that come with the better frames. Also, I noticed the basic range have the water inlet but no thumb wheel to shut the water off during parts replacement / servicing, so the one I fitted recently ( where budget was tight, and then some ) would need the water to the house shutting off to work on it. Not the end of the world but I can't really see how anyone would want to save the few quid there tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 These are the pukka captive thread, adjustable and lockable ones This image shows the slide and bolt type that are less than great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted November 18, 2017 Author Share Posted November 18, 2017 20 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: Don't get the "basic" frames as the brackets to fix back to the wall are just bolt together metal brackets with elongated holes, quite shit tbh, instead of the better threaded arrangements with captive nuts and lock ring circlip type nuts which keep things from moving that come with the better frames. Also, I noticed the basic range have the water inlet but no thumb wheel to shut the water off during parts replacement / servicing, so the one I fitted recently ( where budget was tight, and then some ) would need the water to the house shutting off to work on it. Not the end of the world but I can't really see how anyone would want to save the few quid there tbh. Thanks Nick Great help as always Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 The 820mm frames have the flush plate low, so the toilet seat lifts up and rests on it. The 1120's have the flush plate high enough for the seat to rest back against the tile / other whilst missing the plate. Pros and cons with each...... With the 820's the seat can rub on the plate if you, ahem, 'lean back' shall we say. With the 1120's, should you go with a mirror chrome finish on the plate, you can get a lovely 'reflection' of the man tackle being drained. I fitted a white plate on an 1120 frame for a customer which works quite well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Hmmm, don't tell me.....I know this one.... eermmmm this customer ..... she's a flamenco dancer Yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, recoveringacademic said: Hmmm, don't tell me.....I know this one.... eermmmm this customer ..... she's a flamenco dancer Yes? At the risk of this being read by said customer.......let me just say that I'd have part tiled that wall.......but that's with 2 boys who pee like one of those Crazy Daisy's you get for the garden . The wallpaper had 3 coats of water based matt 'varnish' so is, erm, "splashback" so to speak. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryder72 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Geberit frames are worth every penny more than anything else on the market. The only other frames we have found acceptable are TECE but they are similarly priced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Roca frames are around the same price but Geberit all the way for me Fit and forget with known after sales support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 3 hours ago, Nickfromwales said: At the risk of this being read by said customer.......let me just say that I'd have part tiled that wall.......but that's with 2 boys who pee like one of those Crazy Daisy's you get for the garden . The wallpaper had 3 coats of water based matt 'varnish' so is, erm, "splashback" so to speak. . Big clear acrylic sheet? My missus insisted on tile effect wallpaper next to the dishwasher which gets splashed when loading. Splashback...I can still remember Imagination doing that track on TOTP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassanclan Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 If you are having a btw loo which sits on the floor you could get away with just the cistern (rather than the frame too). It is a more tricky fit as the wall mounting brackets are a bit flimsy, but if you are building a box around anyway they are fine and offer a good price saving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, bassanclan said: If you are having a btw loo which sits on the floor you could get away with just the cistern (rather than the frame too). It is a more tricky fit as the wall mounting brackets are a bit flimsy, but if you are building a box around anyway they are fine and offer a good price saving. Yes, but you need to know your finished floor level to the nearest few mm's to put the frames in early on. With the wall mounted free standing WC's you can also define the height of the pan, and when I suggest to customers to have the pan an inch or so higher than normal they agree that it's far easier to hop on / off vs the standard height. Worth remember that your not stuck to that constraint with the wall mounted ones . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassanclan Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Nickfromwales said: Yes, but you need to know your finished floor level to the nearest few mm's to put the frames in early on. With the wall mounted free standing WC's you can also define the height of the pan, and when I suggest to customers to have the pan an inch or so higher than normal they agree that it's far easier to hop on / off vs the standard height. Worth remember that your not stuck to that constraint with the wall mounted ones . Oh yes, I agree. Choose between wall mounted or floor btw (knowing the benefits of both) and then make the decision of the cistern/frame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 1 minute ago, bassanclan said: Oh yes, I agree. Choose between wall mounted or floor btw (knowing the benefits of both) and then make the decision of the cistern/frame Yup, but let's be honest....wall mounted just looks the business. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted November 19, 2017 Author Share Posted November 19, 2017 21 hours ago, Nickfromwales said: The 820mm frames have the flush plate low, so the toilet seat lifts up and rests on it. The 1120's have the flush plate high enough for the seat to rest back against the tile / other whilst missing the plate. Pros and cons with each...... With the 820's the seat can rub on the plate if you, ahem, 'lean back' shall we say. With the 1120's, should you go with a mirror chrome finish on the plate, you can get a lovely 'reflection' of the man tackle being drained. I fitted a white plate on an 1120 frame for a customer which works quite well.... Top tip Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 23 hours ago, Nickfromwales said: With the 1120's, should you go with a mirror chrome finish on the plate, you can get a lovely 'reflection' of the man tackle being drained. I bet that looks the boll**cks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 26 minutes ago, Onoff said: I bet that looks the boll**cks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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