recognized Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Hello, This is my first time writing here. I want to build a Lean to veranda to the back of the house. It is a semi-detached property build in 2020. There is no conservation etc. How high I can start for that Lean-to ? Building regs are quite vogue about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilly Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 (edited) Hi, you need to look at www.planningportal.co.uk to check whether it’s covered under ‘Permitted Development’ (PD) (see Gov website) which is a Planning issue. If it is PD and you don’t need Planning Permission, it may be wise to get a Certificate of Lawfulness, to confirm it, if you are a worrier or have grumpy neighbours. Building Regulations are separate issue, concerned only with construction, so you need to check if the dimensions you propose need it or not. Ring them if unsure. Edited June 19 by Jilly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Bedtime reading fir you….. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/permitted-development-rights-for-householders-technical-guidance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDamo Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Under Planning and if you have PD rights, it would need to meet the rules for (Class A) extensions… https://www.planningportal.co.uk/permission/common-projects/extensions/planning-permission Under Building Regulations and to be exempt, the internal floor area should not exceed 30sq.m. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recognized Posted June 25 Author Share Posted June 25 Hello Everyone, I have just been reading this and it seems a bit excessive for what I want to achieve. I abandoned the Idea with a veranda and now wonder what if I build some pergola with a decking underneath? It is less than 30 sq meters and will not be attached to the house. The road is only to the front of the house and there is a driveway to one side of the thing I want to build and a neighbour to the other. If I make it around below 3m maximum height it should be fine? What if I attach it to the house? My main goal is to have a bit of a dry area in the garden during wet times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDamo Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Under Planning and if you have PD rights, it would need to meet the rules for (Class E) outbuildings… https://www.planningportal.co.uk/permission/common-projects/outbuildings/planning-permission Under Building Regulations and to be exempt, the internal floor area should not exceed 30sq.m. So, attached to the house would be deemed as an extension. Detached from the house would be deemed as an outbuilding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galileo Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Perhaps a screened patio area and a wall mounted retractable awning would give you a dry space without involving the planning police? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDamo Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 7 hours ago, Galileo said: Perhaps a screened patio area and a wall mounted retractable awning would give you a dry space without involving the planning police? Which more than likely come under the definition of a verandah and would technically require Planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDamo Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) @recognized Verandah’s require Planning. Edited June 25 by DevilDamo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Planning rules state that structures which do not need planning permission must not have verandas, raised platforms, or balconies. The regulations define a veranda as any platform that is raised above 300mm from the ground. It is, therefore, difficult to build a veranda which does not require planning permission. so, if not raised above 300mm it is not a veranda 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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joe90 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Just goes to show conflicting info on the web, however, what if you leave a small gap and build a pergola 🤷♂️ Is a pergola a veranda? The difference between pergolas and verandas is that the pergola is a freestanding structure which can be added to any outdoor space. Verandas must be attached to your home. Therefore info on this web site is wrong (like I posted above) https://custom-canopies.co.uk/news/do-i-need-planning-permission-to-fit-a-carport-veranda-or-pergola/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 We had a raised deck and wind out canopy from the wall at our previous house, installed there 20 years ago without PP. I guess I just "got away with it"? So if your deck and canopy were a few mm gap between it and the house, and it complied with the permitted development rules for a garden building would it comply? Unless you have vindictive nosy neighbours I would just do it and take the flack if any came. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 For my own knowledge I have been looking into this and it’s odd that a rear extension is allowed up to 3m in depth but not a veranda 🤷♂️. Also planning portal talks about “half the width of the original house but in this looks to be ok for the full width of the house (B), am I going senile. (Don’t answer that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 hour ago, ProDave said: Unless you have vindictive nosy neighbours I would just do it and take the flack if any came. +1. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr rusty Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Quote Unless you have vindictive nosy neighbours I would just do it and take the flack if any came. ^^this. +2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDamo Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 (edited) @joe90 I personally wouldn’t rely on any rules or regulations posted on third party websites. The Planning Portal or official Government sites should be those cross referenced with. A pergola is usually detached and to be exempt from Planning, would need to meet the PD rules for outbuildings. It’s a different story for verandahs. Just because they require Planning does not mean they’re likes to be refused. Also… if you were to apply the PD rules for extensions to a verandah, it will not be easy to utilise similar materials. The example you referred to only shows an extension coming off the rear wall. If it extended to the side (as well as the rear), then it would fail as the resulting width would be more than 50%. Edited June 26 by DevilDamo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 57 minutes ago, DevilDamo said: personally wouldn’t rely on any rules or regulations posted on third party websites. That above I posted is from the gov website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDamo Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 4 hours ago, joe90 said: That above I posted is from the gov website. I was referring to your “custom-canopies” post/link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 20 minutes ago, DevilDamo said: I was referring to your “custom-canopies” post/link. True, but how do these companies get away with posting stuff that’s not true 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDamo Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 9 hours ago, joe90 said: True, but how do these companies get away with posting stuff that’s not true 🤷♂️ They’re not governed by anybody. Unfortunately, the buck lies with the homeowner to check and make sure they seek the relevant approvals. It’s the same with some garage conversion and loft conversion companies. Many do refer to the PD rules but you’ll also find the majority don’t mention the possibility of Article 4 Directions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galileo Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 On 25/06/2024 at 18:07, DevilDamo said: Which more than likely come under the definition of a verandah and would technically require Planning. If that were the case, then plonking a garden table with a parasol on a patio with a few potted plants down the sides would become a semi enclosed usable space. An awning over a paved patio area that was neither raised nor permanently semi enclosed would not be a verandah. Maybe if you had an awning between two fencing panels, you could call it an extension under PD?! The more I learn about planning regulations, the less I like. As with a lot of things that were started with good intentions, it's become an industry for its own perpetuation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 43 minutes ago, Galileo said: The more I learn about planning regulations, the less I like. As with a lot of things that were started with good intentions, it's become an industry for its own perpetuation. +1, plus who the feck is going to notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 (edited) On 25/06/2024 at 09:44, recognized said: Hello Everyone, I have just been reading this and it seems a bit excessive for what I want to achieve. I abandoned the Idea with a veranda and now wonder what if I build some pergola with a decking underneath? It is less than 30 sq meters and will not be attached to the house. The road is only to the front of the house and there is a driveway to one side of the thing I want to build and a neighbour to the other. If I make it around below 3m maximum height it should be fine? What if I attach it to the house? My main goal is to have a bit of a dry area in the garden during wet times. The rules are generally easier for outbuildings than extensions. Summary... Planning: You can have any size outbuilding provided you don't build over more than half the area or the garden. Outbuildings must be single storey with a maximum eaves height of 2.5 metres and maximum overall height of 4 metres with a dual pitched roof, or 3 metres in any other case. If the outbuilding is within 2 metres of the property boundary the whole building should not exceed 2.5 metres in height. Decking or raised platforms must be under 300mm. Building Regs: Between 15 square metres and 30 square metres, you will not normally be required to apply for building regulations approval, providing that the building contains NO sleeping accommodation, and is at least one metre from any boundary. Any mains electrics will need to be done by a qualified Electrician who should notify Building Control as part of the process (check and ask for copies). If you build an outbuilding within 1m of your house the planners can try and argue its effectively an extension. How likely they are to do that depends on how "bad" they think it is in planning terms. The planners don't normally go looking for minor breaches, problems typically start with a neighbour complains and then they feel obliged to check you have net the rules. Edited June 27 by Temp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recognized Posted June 27 Author Share Posted June 27 That what I actually meant with "its vogue about it" in a nutshell I just want to something of similar size like on the picture minus pergola thing beside it and roof of that corrugated plastic that you usually seen used in these applications. Mine is picture 3 (satellite). As I understand pergola becomes a veranda as soon as you attach it to the house? What about the decking under 300mm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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