SteamyTea Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 This place is for sale at £120k https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/148261388#/? It is cheap, even for down here because it has mundic blocks in it. That got me thinking. Why are we allowed to sell poisonous housing to live in, I am not allowed to sell poisonous food. Even old cars need to reach a minimum safety standard before they are allowed to be used. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 I thought the issue with Mundic was questions over structural integrity. In what way are they poisonous? We will see more of this with houses containing RAAC being the next un mortgagable sold cheap to cash buyers sub standard housing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 Just now, ProDave said: what way are they poisonous They have arsenic in them I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 Surely only an issue of you eat some of it? We are allowed to sell houses containing asbestos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 No mention of arsenic…. Mundic once[2] referred to pyrite,[3] but has now adopted the wider meaning of concrete deterioration caused by oxidisation of pyrites within the aggregate (usually originating from mine waste). The action of water and oxygen on pyrite forms sulphate (a salt of sulphuric acid), thereby depleting the pyrite, causing loss of adhesion and physical expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 1 hour ago, joe90 said: No mention of arsenic Maybe that was the blocks made from power stations. The point is, some buildings should really be condemned and knocked down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 Just another form of concrete cancer. The trouble is it’s taken decades for it to be noticed. 27 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: The point is, some buildings should really be condemned and knocked down. And who is going to pay for that? The one above will be sold cheap and probably be a building plot for a new build, it’s just more difficult being a semi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 3 minutes ago, joe90 said: And who is going to pay for that? It is an old council house, so we have already payed for it, many times over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 I notice the house also appears to be close to a slope on the left. I wonder if there are any foundation issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 4 hours ago, SteamyTea said: It is an old council house, so we have already payed for it, many times over. However it is now privately owned so who is going to pay for it to be demolished and replaced, I would suggest (as I did above) a builder or persons looking to use it as a plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted May 26 Author Share Posted May 26 5 hours ago, joe90 said: However it is now privately owned Owned and being sold by a housing association. But the point is, why are seriously substandard houses allowed to be sold, as houses, rather than a condition that they must be demolished and rebuilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 4 hours ago, SteamyTea said: But the point is, why are seriously substandard houses allowed to be sold, as houses, rather than a condition that they must be demolished and rebuilt. Because we live in a free country where you can buy and sell a house in any condition. Would you rather more rules on what we can and can not do? Make your appropriate choice on 4th July. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted May 26 Author Share Posted May 26 17 minutes ago, ProDave said: Because we live in a free country where you can buy and sell a house in any condition A house yes, but many things have quite strict rules about ownership and usage. Class A drugs for one. Firearms are another. 19 minutes ago, ProDave said: Make your appropriate choice on 4th July So you going to be voting for the most liberal party, you can buy my vote if you like, oh hang on, that is illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 9 minutes ago, SteamyTea said: A house yes, but many things have quite strict rules about ownership and usage. But I for one don’t want a nanny state.(any more than it is!!,!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Thomas Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Not quite *any* condition, anyway. There are legal requirements on the sale of properties - in-date EPC, the fire alarm situation (in Scotland), the property charge system, the various forms of restriction on who can own various houses, like agricultural tenancies, etc. Still, we all love a good soundbite. Back on concrete cancer, I'm amazed at just how many different types of it there are. Up in shetland we got "sullom blocks", which just dissolve after a while. Complete demolition and rebuild seems to work out cheaper and more convenient than repairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 3 minutes ago, Nick Thomas said: Not quite *any* condition, anyway. There are legal requirements on the sale of properties - in-date EPC, the fire alarm situation (in Scotland), the property charge system, the various forms of restriction on who can own various houses, like agricultural tenancies, etc. Still, we all love a good soundbite. I am not happy with the draconian socialist ambitions of the Scottish government and will be doing my part at every chance to vote for an alternative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Thomas Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Random thought: housing is a lemon market, surely? https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B978012214850750022X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Well many say we should replace old inefficient housing stock so enterprising people (like us here) will do that with houses like that. Better that than the state doing it and cocking it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceverge Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 19 hours ago, SteamyTea said: This place is for sale at £120k https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/148261388#/? It is cheap, even for down here because it has mundic blocks in it. That got me thinking. Why are we allowed to sell poisonous housing to live in, I am not allowed to sell poisonous food. Even old cars need to reach a minimum safety standard before they are allowed to be used. You can sell most stuff so long as it's properly described. Rotten food could be seen as "compost material", defective cars as "parts only". On a technical note. I wonder would adding a layer of EWI and installing some mechanical ventilation halt the degradation of these blocks? It should reduce their moisture content and stabilise their temperature. We have the same issue here in Ireland with pyrite. A concrete levy has been issued to all new customers to pay for the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted May 26 Author Share Posted May 26 1 hour ago, Iceverge said: A concrete levy has been issued to all new customers to pay for the issue How does that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceverge Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 5% levy on new concrete products to redress the houses of those who have mica issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted May 26 Author Share Posted May 26 15 minutes ago, Iceverge said: 5% levy on new concrete products to redress the houses of those who have mica issues. That seems reasonable to me as it almost costs the people that caused the problem, and it may reduce concrete usage via less waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceverge Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Those who caused it are long gone unfortunately. Concrete was probably too cheap for too long. In it's still very cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 1 minute ago, Iceverge said: Those who caused it are long gone unfortunately. Yup, some scientist thought it was a good idea 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted May 26 Author Share Posted May 26 1 minute ago, Iceverge said: Those who caused it are long gone unfortunately. Concrete was probably too cheap for too long. In it's still very cheap. The companies usually morph and phoenix, so a small tax is reasonable. Concrete is stupidly cheap, and a fantastic material. Compared to many building materials not too bad environmentally either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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