LiamJones Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 How would one go about changing a planning application yet to be determined from a Reno to a demolish and rebuild. Would you wait for the current plans to be approved, then make a new app? Would the answer be any different if the design was identical? I’m worried it’s going to take a load more time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 may be worth letting the current application carry on, if the design is close to what the rebuild will be it will then be hard to refuse your full application if the reno is approved. I'd wait until it completes then bang in full plans. You will need a lot more paperwork SAP calcs etc 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamJones Posted July 16, 2023 Author Share Posted July 16, 2023 Do I definitely need full plans? I recently saw a a demo and rebuild as a householder app that got approved in my district! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 Personally I would go full plans, I don’t like building notice, I always want to know from the start what has been agreed so no arguments half way through the build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamJones Posted July 16, 2023 Author Share Posted July 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, joe90 said: Personally I would go full plans, I don’t like building notice, I always want to know from the start what has been agreed so no arguments half way through the build. Ah sorry, I’ve got my wires crossed. I was talking about planning permission as a householder app rather than full planning. Building Control id go full plans regardless, it’s actually cheaper in my area than notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Ambrose Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 >>> Would you wait for the current plans to be approved, then make a new app? Would the answer be any different if the design was identical? <<< You might ask your LPA informally - they may accept as a non-material change once the original is approved. Also the answer might change if they think they might approve or refuse the original application. Planning approval is really about the eternal look and feel, size, style etc so if the rebuild is going to look the same as the renovation then pretty much the same plans will be involved. You don't say how much longer you expect it to take for your original application to get a result - that would be an important factor, of course. If you're 100% decided to do the rebuild and you only just submitted the original application, then you might as well submit a new application in parallel. They run independently - at least in principle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 2 hours ago, LiamJones said: Ah sorry, I’ve got my wires crossed. I was talking about planning permission as a householder app rather than full planning. Building Control id go full plans regardless, it’s actually cheaper in my area than notice. it wont be cheaper as you have to pay someone to produce the drawing pack. Plancheck for us is a minimum of 6 weeks to turn around by LA building control so went with warrent instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDamo Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 4 hours ago, Alan Ambrose said: >>> Would you wait for the current plans to be approved, then make a new app? Would the answer be any different if the design was identical? <<< You might ask your LPA informally - they may accept as a non-material change once the original is approved. Also the answer might change if they think they might approve or refuse the original application. Planning approval is really about the eternal look and feel, size, style etc so if the rebuild is going to look the same as the renovation then pretty much the same plans will be involved. You don't say how much longer you expect it to take for your original application to get a result - that would be an important factor, of course. If you're 100% decided to do the rebuild and you only just submitted the original application, then you might as well submit a new application in parallel. They run independently - at least in principle. A re-build requires a Full application. There is also a different and increased fee along with many different policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDamo Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 7 hours ago, LiamJones said: Do I definitely need full plans? I recently saw a a demo and rebuild as a householder app that got approved in my district! Was it a complete demolition and re-build or were a few walls shown to be retained and then extended upon? A new build requires a Full application. Even some substantial re-development works require a Full as opposed to a Householder application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Ambrose Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 >>> A re-build requires a Full application. I sand corrected... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelly Posted December 27, 2024 Share Posted December 27, 2024 On 16/07/2023 at 09:10, LiamJones said: Ah sorry, I’ve got my wires crossed. I was talking about planning permission as a householder app rather than full planning. Building Control id go full plans regardless, it’s actually cheaper in my area than notice. Do you have a link to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDamo Posted December 27, 2024 Share Posted December 27, 2024 6 hours ago, nelly said: Do you have a link to this? Building Control authorities set their own fees. Some charge more for BN applications as it usually ends up BC needing to offer more advice/guidance than those who have been through the FP route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamJones Posted December 27, 2024 Author Share Posted December 27, 2024 https://forms.southnorfolkandbroadland.gov.uk/buildingcontrolforms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andehh Posted December 27, 2024 Share Posted December 27, 2024 We got planning for an extension, then converted to a new build and resubmitted a new application. We actually started before the full planning came in, knowing that even if it got rejected we could rebuild 'as per' original property and extension. Fortunately we had a good work relationship eith our planning officer and he was pragmatic about it all. We got the full planning approval as we started the 4th course of bricks on the new build!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelly Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 On 27/12/2024 at 19:56, Andehh said: We got planning for an extension, then converted to a new build and resubmitted a new application. We actually started before the full planning came in, knowing that even if it got rejected we could rebuild 'as per' original property and extension. Fortunately we had a good work relationship eith our planning officer and he was pragmatic about it all. We got the full planning approval as we started the 4th course of bricks on the new build!! Sounds like a positive outcome. I assume you did not have the issue of CIL in your area. We are in a situation as posted elsewhere where we ended up having to demolish more of the property then the original application said we would and now enforcement have requested a new build application. However that would attract a huge CIL charge of over 52k which there is no exemption for if the works have started. However after tearing my hair out over this matter and speaking to some planning consultants it appears that councils will generally only enforce on matters that would not get planning. As our property already has planning they are unlikely to enforce. Instead they are more likely as per there letter as one of their option write a note in the land charges stating that the development is unauthorised which would be an issue for lending/selling. As no selling/remortgaging is taking place this would be far more manageable and then after 10 years we would apply for a certificate of lawfulness. Hopefully this will end up with the note deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andehh Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 We got lucky, in the sense I'd never heard of it and had a few panic moments when I saw how close others got stung on build hub... But our area brought it in on 1st April 2024 and we got permission a couple years before then... So never had to deal with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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