Brick cladding when the glazing is already installed ?

[Post and beam]

Unless i have mis understood the stages of build ( likely) the TF supplier of my potential build will erect the frame and make it weathertight in the following order. First the roof tiles and then the windows.

All good so far but this means the external cladding then goes on.

So, the brickies are building the walls with the glazing already in place.

This sounds like a recipe for disaster. Am i over thinking this?

 

[Nickfromwales]

14 minutes ago, Post and beam said:

Unless i have mis understood the stages of build ( likely) the TF supplier of my potential build will erect the frame and make it weathertight in the following order. First the roof tiles and then the windows.

All good so far but this means the external cladding then goes on.

So, the brickies are building the walls with the glazing already in place.

This sounds like a recipe for disaster. Am i over thinking this?

 

Yes.

 

It's perfectly normal standard to brick / clad after the windows go in. This has been going on all over the UK today without ( many ) dramas. Some drama does occur, but that's a % and relative to every single step of your build.

You need to be weathertight ASAP, so get the doors and windows fitted and the roof and rain screen on, then you can take a breather with a secure, dry build  

 

Have a word with the brickies and state your concerns BEFORE they start work, and then get confirmation off them that they'll be careful and respectful of your new windows and doors etc  Should be fine.

 

Or, they'll kill you and make the death look like an accident.  

[Post and beam]

There is quite a lot of plot to hide my body in so i will bear this in mind

[Nickfromwales]

7 minutes ago, Post and beam said:

There is quite a lot of plot to hide my body in so i will bear this in mind

Tea and bacon sandwiches often work wonders  

[Post and beam]

Bacon is generally the solution to every problem i find.

[Russell griffiths]

I find trades have no respect for anything already fitted unless told to be careful. 

Point out the new windows, discuss methods to protect them , go and buy the stuff to protect them and install it. 

Point out very clearly that any damage must be paid for by them and then leave them to it. 

Hold back enough money at each stage until you are happy. 

 

Regarding the window position, this is down to design, and making sure it works brick sizes. 

You should not have any cut bricks in the face of a wall unless it is actually part of the bond. 

Design the problem out, before it occurs. 

[Nickfromwales]

6 minutes ago, Russell griffiths said:

I find trades have no respect for anything already fitted unless told to be careful. 

Point out the new windows, discuss methods to protect them , go and buy the stuff to protect them and install it. 

Point out very clearly that any damage must be paid for by them and then leave them to it. 

Hold back enough money at each stage until you are happy. 

 

Regarding the window position, this is down to design, and making sure it works brick sizes. 

You should not have any cut bricks in the face of a wall unless it is actually part of the bond. 

Design the problem out, before it occurs. 

More importantly, your thoughts on bacon?

 

Then a new thread on red or brown sauce. 🤔

 

 

8 minutes ago, Russell griffiths said:

Point out very clearly that any damage must be paid for by them and then leave them to it. 

Hold back enough money at each stage until you are happy. 

+1. People are far more considerate when it is coming out of their pockets. "All damages must be paid for". A retainer will sieve out any trades who have zero faith in their own capabilities / actions. Neanderthals will just walk away stating "I'll get back to you with a price". What they mean is "F**k that, I'm off to the next easy job / pushover".

 

This will need effort, and persistence, but if you're as worried as you are then it's time and effort well spent eh?

[Iceverge]

Like potty training, you have to make it easy for people to understand and to do the right thing. 

 

You're going to get a poop on the carpet either way. 

 

If you've warned of harsh retributions someone will first try to wipe it up with the curtain and then cover it up with the sofa cushions making the whole situation much worse. 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 11, 2023 by Iceverge

[Nickfromwales]

2 minutes ago, Iceverge said:

You're going to get a poop on the carpet either way. 

 

If you've warned of harsh retributions someone will first try to wipe it up with the curtain and then cover it up with the sofa cushions making the whole situation much worse.

In the worst case, possibly, but you'd have the money in your back pocket to pay the rug doctor to come and make it all poop-free.

 

Statistically you're more likely to die crossing the road than going into the air in a flying, fuel filled thermos flask ( aka aeroplane ). I will walk to the shops later, regardless, but I will remember to look both ways before crossing, , because someone recommended how I should / could mitigate against the risks.

[Nickfromwales]

We stayed in a Greene King ( 👎 💩  ) hotel In Halstead a while back where the shower curtain was used when the loo roll ran out. When my colleague complained the staff quickly apologised profusely, took him to directly to his room, and then SWAPPED the curtains over to / from the adjacent ( occupied ) room. Then said "That OK, sir?"

We didn't go back there.

[saveasteading]

1. Lots of photos of the installation, esp window condition.

2. Friendly chat with the boss, repeated with whoever is in charge if different.

How do you work out the coursing so that there are no cut bricks or uneven joints?

I am nervous of damaging the windows, with the very thin layer of colour...how do you prevent damage?

If you get mortar on the window, how do you remove it without scratching the surface?

3. Here is a copy of the drawing showing details at interfaces....is this all doable?

4. How do you ensure that the walls dont have colour changes? Do these bricks need to be mixed? Do we have enough sand and cement to ensure it is all the same colour?

 

Do this in whatever way suits your knowledge level, but asking the professional rather than telling, works best. E.g. you could say....i have heard that it is quite a skill to do this without cutting bricks....how do you experts do it?  Between gritted teeth in my case.

[Nickfromwales]

The parts about retainers needs to be in writing. Sent is enough, you don't need a reply. Same email needs to state also that the company employing the brickies is responsible for any making good / repairs / replacement ( including all associated losses ) and not the brickie(s) themselves.

Include the name of the person and company to which it is addressed.

[Post and beam]

In my case the TF company will build the frame and make it weathertight which will include the glazing.

For the rest of the build the TF company engage a contracts manager( well, i do. Its me that pays for him/her) so i guess i am employing the brickies in effect.

[Post and beam]

On 11/02/2023 at 10:19, Nickfromwales said:

More importantly, your thoughts on bacon?

 

Then a new thread on red or brown sauce. 🤔

 

No sauce with bacon. Sorry but thats the devils work. If you ever feel the need to embelish a bacon sarnie then a fried egg is the perfect partner.

[Post and beam]

Who Knew. Just spent an hour reading about spray on window protection for just this subject. Thanks again forum. Every day is a school day.

[Nick Thomas]

8 minutes ago, Post and beam said:

Just spent an hour reading about spray on window protection for just this subject

 

This (kind of - no idea of brand) stuff worked fine when we took down and rebuilt a concrete block wall, leaving the windows in place: https://www.proguardproducts.co.uk/proguard-window-protection-film-blue.html . Dunno how it compares to spray-on.

[eandg]

5 minutes ago, Nick Thomas said:

 

This (kind of - no idea of brand) stuff worked fine when we took down and rebuilt a concrete block wall, leaving the windows in place: https://www.proguardproducts.co.uk/proguard-window-protection-film-blue.html . Dunno how it compares to spray-on.

I've got this for my windows to try and protect them from any stray mortar - not sure it'll help if the brickies skelp them with facing brick mind.