LeanTwo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I'm putting a double glazed window in an elevation of my new kitchen/diner extension that abuts a neighbour's property. I have to comply with building regulations so as to provide thirty minute fire resistance. Can anyone point me towards some more information on this such as a technical (but not too technical!) description of what is required, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliG Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Most window suppliers should be able to supply a window with a fire rated double glazing unit and frames. Fire resistant glass is very expensive approx £300 a square metre. The frame would also have to be fire rated as well as the glass. I think your window supplier is the first port of call. You can get cheaper wired glass but I would presume you don't want that. I didn't know that the regs required fire resistance if windows are close to the boundary but apparently they do having just looked it up in Part B of the Building Regs. You are allowed a certain amount of "unprotected area"(windows or doors) that rises as the distance from the boundary increases. If you exceed this area the exterior doors or windows have to be fire rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montipora Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 If you are within 1m of boundary you are allowed max 1m2 unprotected area i.e. Window including frame. If your window is larger then it would need to have 30 mins protection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanTwo Posted January 28, 2017 Author Share Posted January 28, 2017 Thanks for the replies AliG and Montipora. The window is right on the boundary. It's a triangular fixed single sash measuring approximately 2.5m on the horizontal and 1.0m on the vertical, including the frame. My (very poor) maths makes that approximately 1.25 sq. m., including the frame. It's at the top of the elevation on my lean-to so it's for letting light in and not for seeing through so wired glass would not be a problem, if I also made a good cost saving. Maybe a smaller window would save me a lot of money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliG Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I think if it is actually on the boundary it will have to be fire rated. If it is 1m away then you could prob use a normal window if the size is less than 1sq m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanTwo Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 Just to add to this one.. Speaking to my local District Council Building control officer, any window less than 1m sq (including frame and glass) in area does not need to be fire resistant, even if it's less than 1m away from the boundary. The relevant building regs can be found at: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/485420/BR_PDF_AD_B1_2013.pdf and are: Section 8 clause 8.3 Section 9 clause 9.7 Appendix A Tables A 1 and A2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 The window is right on the boundary. Is the neighbour happy with that? Just in case you aren't aware... The neighbour could legally put up a fence or build something that obscures the window. They can also get you to remove anything that overhangs the boundary and that includes the window sill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanTwo Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 Thanks for the reply Temp. We've kept our neighbour up to date before the application and during it. We've talked it through so they are aware, fully and have raised no issues with us. They have seen the full plans. We will continue to consult them as we go forward with the project as often the reality of things going ahead will cause concern. The window is a triangular light above normal head height and so could not be used to look into the neighbour's garden, easily. No concerns have been expressed from our neighbours. The proposal has been granted full planning permission. If our neighbour chose to obscure our window, then I would take the appropriate professional advice to determine what options were available to me. Thanks for raising the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willbish Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 03/02/2017 at 10:40, LeanTwo said: Just to add to this one.. Speaking to my local District Council Building control officer, any window less than 1m sq (including frame and glass) in area does not need to be fire resistant, even if it's less than 1m away from the boundary. The relevant building regs can be found at: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/485420/BR_PDF_AD_B1_2013.pdf and are: Section 8 clause 8.3 Section 9 clause 9.7 Appendix A Tables A 1 and A2 I've been looking into the fire rating of windows close to the boundary and since the above post the Part B building regs has been updated (from 84 pages to 180 ?) The sections now relating to external walls, boundaries and unprotected areas are Section B4 11.4 Boundaries Section B4 11.16 Methods for calculating acceptable unprotected areas Appendix B25 Table B3 External Walls Appendix B25 Table B4 Dwellinghouses From what I can see the numerical values haven't changed regarding 1m2 of small unprotected areas such as windows. Larger windows or other unprotected areas will most likely require 30' fire protection but depends on building size height and distance from boundary Part B Building Regs 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 On 16/01/2020 at 21:17, willbish said: I've been looking into the fire rating of windows close to the boundary and since the above post the Part B building regs has been updated (from 84 pages to 180 ?) The sections now relating to external walls, boundaries and unprotected areas are Section B4 11.4 Boundaries Section B4 11.16 Methods for calculating acceptable unprotected areas Appendix B25 Table B3 External Walls Appendix B25 Table B4 Dwellinghouses From what I can see the numerical values haven't changed regarding 1m2 of small unprotected areas such as windows. Larger windows or other unprotected areas will most likely require 30' fire protection but depends on building size height and distance from boundary Part B Building Regs 2019 I am coming to this issue, i have a façade on the boundary to the next door property, the actually building of the property is 1.5m away from the proposed facade, though there are three fixed obscure glazed windows in in the façade right on the boundary (W18, W19, W16), W17 is set further back The BCO has highlighted the this as a potential issue for fire, and should be fitted with fire resistant glass. The window proposed are aluminum 6.8mm Lam / 18mm Argon / 4mm Planitherm One. Any idea if this will the requirements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Punter Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 12 hours ago, Moonshine said: I am coming to this issue, i have a façade on the boundary to the next door property, the actually building of the property is 1.5m away from the proposed facade, though there are three fixed obscure glazed windows in in the façade right on the boundary (W18, W19, W16), W17 is set further back The BCO has highlighted the this as a potential issue for fire, and should be fitted with fire resistant glass. The window proposed are aluminum 6.8mm Lam / 18mm Argon / 4mm Planitherm One. Any idea if this will the requirements? If W18 and W19 are each less than 1m2 and at least 4m apart they will be acceptable. If the floor above W16 is a compartment floor and less than 1m2 it will be OK. If not, you may need special fire resistant glass (expensive). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Mr Punter said: If W18 and W19 are each less than 1m2 and at least 4m apart they will be acceptable. If the floor above W16 is a compartment floor and less than 1m2 it will be OK. If not, you may need special fire resistant glass (expensive). Thanks, W18 and W19 are both 750mm x 750mm so 0.56m2 each, 1.12m2 in total. They are 2m apart so not acceptable (Diagram 11.5 of Approved document B). W16 is 600 x 600mm so 0.36m2 The floor above W16 is a standard timber floor but will have a minimum fire rating of 30 minutes (https://www.gyproc.ie/sites/default/files/C106029.pdf), so W16 is o.k. The issue is going to meet the requirements of Diagram 11.5 of Approved document B for the two windows as they don't have the separation required. I think the most straight forward solution is to drop W18 or W19 as these aren't really critical. Edit: spoke to the BCO all sorted. Edited May 6, 2021 by Moonshine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardhomeowner Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 i have just become a member, so hopefully its ok to jump on the end of an old post. i had an extension done 10yrs ago and seem to remember the architect saying something about maximum window size of 1 sq mtr. there used to be a bungalow next door, which has since had building work done to make into house. so i have a detached house with a side wall 850mm from the boundary fence. nieghbour is also similiar distance from boundary. on this side wall i have a dining room window downstairs and a bathroom window upstairs. the room next to the bathroom is a bedroom with an ensuite, that doesnt have a window. ( their is a brick wall between the bathroom and bedroom ensuite i want to create a new window opening 1200 x 600 for the ensuite ( less than 1m2 ) but looking at the building regs document diagram 20 space seperation, which shows distance between windows, im not sure if im allowed. the old drawing BR 2013 used to have measurements between windows on the same level. the newer BR 2019 drawing doesnt 1) am i right in thinking that if the bathroom and bedroom/ensuite is divided by a brick wall, that is classed as a different compartment and their is no min distance between windows ? 2) i can have a window less than 1m2 obscured glass and it doesnt have to be a special fire rated window. 3) can the window have a small top opening window 4) do i need building regs officer to inspect this, if i do it myself or get a registered dbl glazing company to install ? many thanks for any help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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