How early can you apply for demolition notice?

[magutosh]

Hi all,

 

We are waiting for the planning decision, and came across the 6 week notice period for demos application.

 

Do I need to wait for the planning application approval first before applying for demos

 

Thanks!

[Russell griffiths]

I don’t see why you need to wait BUT DO NOT KNOCK A THING DOWN until you have approval for the new building. 

[magutosh]

11 minutes ago, Russell griffiths said:

I don’t see why you need to wait BUT DO NOT KNOCK A THING DOWN until you have approval for the new building. 

Hi Russell,

 

Can I please clarify that I can apply for demolition but need to wait for the replacement dwelling application approval before demolition can start?

 

Thanks

Dominic

[newhome]

If you have CIL in your area don’t do a thing on site until you have fully understood the rules. 
 

 

[magutosh]

1 hour ago, newhome said:

If you have CIL in your area don’t do a thing on site until you have fully understood the rules. 
 

 

Thanks for the heads up, will submit relevant CIL forms asap. 

I can't seem to find how much notice period is required for "Commencement Notice", any idea?

[Temp]

I believe it just has to be received before you start.

 

However the consequences of it getting any of this paperwork wrong, lost in the post or even lost within their office are dire. One person sent them an email instead of posting form 6 and it ended up costing him over £40,000 in CIL, a surcharge and legal costs. You should send them recorded delivery and wait for confirmation of reciept, keep copies etc.

 

I believe the full process is..

 

1) Assume liability (Forms 2, 3, or 4)

2) Apply for exemption (Form 7, Part 1)

3) Notify them of commencement date BEFORE doing any work on site (Form 6).

4) After completion but within 6 months send Form 7, Part 2.

5) Live there 3 years.

 

No responsibility accepted if I've got any of that wrong! 

[Conor]

3 hours ago, magutosh said:

Hi all,

 

We are waiting for the planning decision, and came across the 6 week notice period for demos application.

 

Do I need to wait for the planning application approval first before applying for demos

 

Thanks!

We submitted ours at the same time as the main application, and was approved about a week after the main application was - had to go through some extra approvals apparently.

[magutosh]

15 minutes ago, Temp said:

I believe it just has to be received before you start.

 

However the consequences of it getting any of this paperwork wrong, lost in the post or even lost within their office are dire. One person sent them an email instead of posting form 6 and it ended up costing him over £40,000 in CIL, a surcharge and legal costs. You should send them recorded delivery and wait for confirmation of reciept, keep copies etc.

 

I believe the full process is..

 

1) Assume liability (Forms 2, 3, or 4)

2) Apply for exemption (Form 7, Part 1)

3) Notify them of commencement date BEFORE doing any work on site (Form 6).

4) After completion but within 6 months send Form 7, Part 2.

5) Live there 3 years.

 

No responsibility accepted if I've got any of that wrong! 

That seems to be in line with council's guide, but I can't find any indication on how much notice they require. 

Guess I'll get that in as soon as all previous paperwork are in place.

[magutosh]

5 minutes ago, Conor said:

We submitted ours at the same time as the main application, and was approved about a week after the main application was - had to go through some extra approvals apparently.

Thanks Conor, will submit ours shortly in which case.

 

Did you know who you would use by that point? I'm still getting quotes, but the form requires demolisher's name, address and signature.

 

Cheers!

Dominic

Edited June 29, 2020 by magutosh
extra question

[Conor]

40 minutes ago, magutosh said:

Thanks Conor, will submit ours shortly in which case.

 

Did you know who you would use by that point? I'm still getting quotes, but the form requires demolisher's name, address and signature.

 

Cheers!

Dominic

 

Keep an eye out for my next blog!!!

 

Professional demolition companies aren't interested in small residential jobs - I got two quotes - one for £10k and another £20k. Completely made up "we're not interested" numbers.

 

A typical builder, or man with a digger will not have demolition insurance. I couldn't get self build insurance to cover demolition either. So be careful how you approach it.

 

So... I ended up demolishing the house myself. Started from the inside out, removing timber, pluming, insulation etc. Then stripped the roof and kept the slates.  Pulled the chimneys down with a long chain attached to my car. Rest of the walls came down by hand. It was a small bungalow so relatively easy. Reason for doing it this way was the bricks - 20,000 clay bricks worth 50p-£1 each. I had planned to hire a telehandler with a bucket to make the job easier, but wasn't an option as the COVID restrictions hit.

[magutosh]

6 minutes ago, Conor said:

 

Keep an eye out for my next blog!!!

 

Professional demolition companies aren't interested in small residential jobs - I got two quotes - one for £10k and another £20k. Completely made up "we're not interested" numbers.

 

A typical builder, or man with a digger will not have demolition insurance. I couldn't get self build insurance to cover demolition either. So be careful how you approach it.

 

So... I ended up demolishing the house myself. Started from the inside out, removing timber, pluming, insulation etc. Then stripped the roof and kept the slates.  Pulled the chimneys down with a long chain attached to my car. Rest of the walls came down by hand. It was a small bungalow so relatively easy. Reason for doing it this way was the bricks - 20,000 clay bricks worth 50p-£1 each. I had planned to hire a telehandler with a bucket to make the job easier, but wasn't an option as the COVID restrictions hit.

 

Sounds epic!

 

I actually got some reasonable quotes between 5k and 6k, but have tried over 10 of them, with 4 came back, got one 10k "not interested" reply too.

 

We don't know asbestos situation yet, will wait for the survey, hence use specialist would be preferred. Other than slates, there won't be much worth salvaging, to be honest.

[Conor]

@magutosh yeah, get the asbestos survey in asap. Few hundred quid well spent. Also, be aware they are not full proof - we found asbestos drainage pipes that were missed. Now safely buried under about 2m of clay!!!

[Russdl]

@magutosh When we submitted our Notice of Intended Demolition, after planning was approved, there were numerous unknowns and the form was annotated accordingly.

 

For example, in the section for 'Commencement Date' we put "not yet known" in big red letters.

The section asking 'Does Asbestos Form Any Part Of The Building' we put "unknown at this time" again in big friendly red letters and gave a date of the expected asbestos survey (which turned out to be wrong as we found a better quote shortly after submitting the form).

Under the section 'Name Of Demolition Contractor' we put the details of one of the companies that had quoted and added in big red letters "not confirmed air this time". That also turned out to be incorrect.

 

We then prepared to wait for 6 weeks but received the Section 81 notice after a fortnight or so. After the asbestos was removed we set about demolishing the bungalow ourselves because of the crazy quotes. It was pretty easy and a great deal of fun.

 

Scaffold boards laid on a ladder make an excellent slide for the roof tiles.