December 3, 20196 yr Guys.. This one's for all you seasoned self builders out there - Realistically, what's the lowest achievable cost per m2 if prepared to do most of the work yourself?
December 3, 20196 yr The cost will depend more on wheresbouts you are building. Different regions have different costs for materials with NI being the cheapest and London area the most expensive. The size and type of build method are other considerations. Then you have how nice a finish you want and how much of the work you can actually do so it's too am acceptable standard. Be realistic if you have never lifted a trowel then building a complete house is going to be a stretch.
December 3, 20196 yr Author 5 minutes ago, dpmiller said: depends where in the uk you are. Herefordshire.
December 3, 20196 yr Is that just the basic hardware costs. No that hard to pay that just in professional fees if you are not careful.
December 3, 20196 yr You would need a lot of luck Easy connect to services nice straight forward plot Hardly any professional fees And do most of the work yourself With all this falling into place and a basic finish I think 500m2 is achievable
December 4, 20196 yr Author 9 hours ago, nod said: You would need a lot of luck Easy connect to services nice straight forward plot Hardly any professional fees And do most of the work yourself With all this falling into place and a basic finish I think 500m2 is achievable 500m2, that's a stately home pretty much?
December 4, 20196 yr 11 hours ago, Coops said: Guys.. This one's for all you seasoned self builders out there - Realistically, what's the lowest achievable cost per m2 if prepared to do most of the work yourself? And girls (we have a fair few ladies here)... There are some exceptional individuals who manage to build for extremely low prices, probably because they've been in the building trade for many years and do pretty much all the work themselves. Leaving those aside, then I reckon the absolute lowest figure that a first-time self builder is likely to get would be around £1000/m², and that would be building on an ideal plot, with no complications, not using any professional services and doing a lot of work themselves. Most likely figures would be between £1300 and £1600/m² for a fairly middle of the road specification. As always, location plays a massive part, as @Declan52 mentioned. Labour costs vary widely from one region to another, probably by a factor of more than two to one, and if you're not doing a lot of the work yourself your build will be hit by that variation. Same goes for professional fees. Planning consultants, ecology consultants, architects, architectural technicians, structural engineers, project managers, quantity surveyors etc fees etc also all vary from region to region, and they can make up a significant proportion of your total build cost, depending on how many of them you chose to, or have to, use.
December 4, 20196 yr Author 32 minutes ago, Jeremy Harris said: And girls (we have a fair few ladies here)... There are some exceptional individuals who manage to build for extremely low prices, probably because they've been in the building trade for many years and do pretty much all the work themselves. Leaving those aside, then I reckon the absolute lowest figure that a first-time self builder is likely to get would be around £1000/m², and that would be building on an ideal plot, with no complications, not using any professional services and doing a lot of work themselves. Most likely figures would be between £1300 and £1600/m² for a fairly middle of the road specification. As always, location plays a massive part, as @Declan52 mentioned. Labour costs vary widely from one region to another, probably by a factor of more than two to one, and if you're not doing a lot of the work yourself your build will be hit by that variation. Same goes for professional fees. Planning consultants, ecology consultants, architects, architectural technicians, structural engineers, project managers, quantity surveyors etc fees etc also all vary from region to region, and they can make up a significant proportion of your total build cost, depending on how many of them you chose to, or have to, use. Thanks Jeremy I use the term 'Guys' as coverall gender neutral thing, sorry if I've excluded anyone. Thanks for your ongoing advice, although I think I'm in real danger of re-hashing the same question until I get the answer I'm looking for?.. ..I could in theory do all of the works myself but it would likely turn into a lifelong mission, so what I'm trying to do is target where I might have most impact as a carpenter, sensibly this would be above ground, so I'm happy to stick frame the whole thing and cut my own roof. although how much this would actually save when offset against the cost of TF company is unclear. I suppose if I could get a weathertight shell and well progressed internals for £125k I'd be happy with that. Garage and landscapes can wait..
December 4, 20196 yr Back in 2013, we had a timber frame company put in our passive slab foundation, UFH pipes, and erect an insulated, 130m² passive house standard timber frame (including the air test, not including doors, windows, roofing etc), plus a 6.1m x 4.1m detached timber garage, also insulated, with a boarded loft and lined internally, for ~£60k. Prices have risen a fair bit since then, but factors to bear in mind when making a comparison are that the price included: - The insulated foundations and the UFH pipe laid inside the slab - The insulation, under-slab, wall and the warm roof - All airtightness work, membranes, tapes etc, and the final payment was dependent on the house reaching the passive house airtightness requirement (0.6 ACH @ 50Pa). - The supply and erection of an insulated and lined detached garage on a pre-existing slab. - All the structural calcs needed and frame drawings, signed off by an SE, as required by building control
December 6, 20196 yr Author Nice one, thanks Worst case scenario, I get a shell up and run out of cash, are lenders generally supportive in providing the funds to finish the job?
December 6, 20196 yr 11 minutes ago, Coops said: Nice one, thanks Worst case scenario, I get a shell up and run out of cash, are lenders generally supportive in providing the funds to finish the job? Unlikely. Best approach is get the money from the bank, spend that first and then use your own to finish it off. That way you know you have funds available.
December 6, 20196 yr 11 minutes ago, Coops said: Nice one, thanks Worst case scenario, I get a shell up and run out of cash, are lenders generally supportive in providing the funds to finish the job? No they hate it because it does not inspire confidence in your ability to budget and control costs.
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